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I dont give a who starts. It's about how Pop distributes their minutes and who he has on the floor at the end of the game. I have been pleased thus far.
I know this topic has been discussed many times, and while Oberto is rounding out nicely, I think with Elson would serve much better as the starter getting the Bulk of the minutes, and Oberto could maybe be utilized better in the 2nd unit.
Elson seems to be a better rebounder as well as offensive player.
Anyways, I think Pop should start Elson for the game against SAC tommorow and move Oberto to the bench
I dont give a who starts. It's about how Pop distributes their minutes and who he has on the floor at the end of the game. I have been pleased thus far.
well then Elson shoudl be playing more minutes
I think the Bulls game he was given garbage minutes it felt like (although most of the 4th quarter felt like garbage minutes)
He should be the primary center
I like Oberto at the starting position. He plays perfectly alongside Duncan and knows the plays. Elson still has trouble with the system
Did you watch the game? Elson picked up three fouls in like five minutes in his first rotation. That's why Bonner got so many minutes.I think the Bulls game he was given garbage minutes it felt like (although most of the 4th quarter felt like garbage minutes)Statistically, Oberto is a slightly more productive rebounder.Elson seems to be a better rebounder
At this point it ain't broke, so no need to fix it.
is oberto really? damn, it always feels like elson is the better rebounder, and I know elson did have his share of foul trouble, but I still think he should be the first option when it comes to centers.
I love Elson's energy and athleticism, but he doesn't know the system, or apparently basic things, like how to set a pick. Right now, the only thing holding back Elson is Elson. Sometimes, energy and athleticism play better off the bench anyway. You need that spark.
i'd rather have elson keep coming off the bench - the speed he brings is a nice change of pace.
I think so far both of them are doing a good job. And Oberto had a rocky start where we doubted him, but he's doing the little things right. Setting picks, help D, and positioning well for the rebound.
I think later on if Elson wants the starting spot he's gonna have to do more. But yeah, I agree with people saying he's a good spark. The fans arent used to a dunking center. lol
Foul trouble has plagued both of them in the early part of the season, it looks like the refs are giving Oberto the rookie treatment, he can't touch anyone without a whistle going off, Elson on the other hand keeps finding himself in bad spots, something he will get better at once he has been in the system for a while. I like the way they are right now, until the team falls flat or runs into trouble with their center play, I don't see anything changing, but losses will make Pop make a move.
I think were good with are starting 5, Oberto fits in good he's aggressive on the boards and plays defense. Elson still look's alittle lost on the floor. Oberto knows the plays and makes some great passes. Elson athletic and strong but still doesn't know what Pop wants from him...
Elson looks a little lost at times, but not horrible and still better than Nazr last year, so we're doing better.
I have to admit, I much prefer these debates to Rasho vs. Nazr. It's nice to have an argument because we have two centers who play well enough to warrant starting. As for my two cents, I like the set up now. Oberto knows the system, and can pass well which helps the team get out and in a rhythm early. Elson is the closest thing the Spurs have to an energizer off the bench, and because he's able to run the floor he creates transition buckets for the second unit when the team doesn't have a sure go-to scorer on the floor.
I think Elson is the better center and deserves to play more minutes.I don't care who starts,because Oberto is doing nice compared to what I thought he would do.I like Elson better, but like ChumpDumper said "it ain't broke, so no need to fix it.
yeah after looking into the stats, i was pleasantly surprised to see we were faring much better in rebounding (that charlotte game musta helped our rebounding stats greatly!) than I thought.
I understand it's not broke so don't fix it, but I think we'd be even better with Elson starting at the 5 spot.
But either way, as people said before, it doesn't really matter who starts, so if that is the case, then at the end of the day the bulk of the minutes deserve to go to Elson (assuming he doesn't get in foul trouble)
Oberto stinks as a starter. Every time Pop takes him out in the first quarter, the Spurs have the lead.
i think elson gives us that energy in the second group that we have been lacking since manu moved into the starting line-up.
plus, i think oberto works a little better with timmy because of his ability to make the interior pass, which we'll see more of as the two become more comfortable with each other.
Actually since after the Cleveland game...the Spurs have either had the lead or shared the lead when Oberto takes his first breather.
Did Solid D just pwn himself?
I guess it's the only way it could happen.
I think you have that backwards:
Oberto: 6.0 Rebounds
Elson: 6.1 Rebounds
EFFICIENCY
Oberto: 10.67
Elson: 11.00
POINTS
Oberto: 5.8pts
Elson: 6.1pts
REBOUNDS
Oberto: 6.0
Elson: 6.1
ASSISTS
Oberto: 1.2
Elson: 1.1
STEALS
Oberto: 0.1
Elson: 0.2
BLOCKS
Oberto: 0.44
Elson: 1
http://www.nba.com/statistics/player...DD=All%20Teams
With the exception of assists, Elson statistically is better in all the major categories. The interesting thing here is also that Elson is averaging 0.1 minutes more than Oberto.
Personally, I think Elson is clearly better and shows much more promise. Let's also take into account that Oberto has been with the Spurs going on his 2nd season while this is Elson's 1st year here with the Spurs. I find Elson to be much more athletic, run the floor much better, and because of this, I've seen him to be a better team defender, especially on the perimeter against guards cuz he can move lateral much faster/quicker and recover much better than Oberto. I disagree with the notion that "Elson looks lost and doesn't know the system" cuz if you've seen the earlier games this season, you've seen Elson get nice passes underneath for cuts to the basket for dunks. If he was that lost, he wouldn't be able to execute plays and finish off in transition.
With that said, I think I also agree that "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". I view Elson's role much more important than Oberto's role, just like Manu's role a couple seasons ago when he was coming off the bench behind Barry/Turkoglu/Jackson. Elson is averaging more minutes, so that obviously shows Pop's confidence in Elson and I don't think Pop views Elson as a "bench player". I think he views Elson as a little bit of a "savior" at the center position, just as Manu was for shooting guard position in the past.
I do think Oberto is a better post defender and he seems to run the transition with manu pretty well, so the chemistry may be the reason why Elson's not starting.
Let's be happy that we got both Elson & Oberto and lucky that we have Elson coming off the bench cuz if we had Oberto coming off the bench, I don't think he'd be as "productive" cuz nobody on the bench really will have the same chemistry that he has with Manu.
Can we agree that the rotation works in Oberto's favor and should because at the end of the day, it's the rotation that is the most proficient that matters, not who starts.
The ONLY way I'd agree to have Oberto go to the bench is if Manu went with him or if Oberto really sucked like Rasho.
But for now, the rotation is smart...Oberto's chemistry with Manu will help the Spurs much more than coming off the bench. If Elson was starting, we would probably not get the same production from Oberto coming off the bench.
Nope.Rebounds per 48 minutes:
Fabricio Oberto 15.2
Francisco Elson 15.0
RIF.
You can break down the stats all you want, but it's probably the intangibles that keep Fabricio ahead of Francisco.
Elson misses a lot of defensive rotations. Oberto doesn't. Elson doesn't set good picks. Oberto does. Until that changes, I would imagine Oberto will likely remain the starter.
True. Many of the statistics are close to a dead heat, so the difference is more who fits the system better at present. Oberto has that hands down. If Elson gets anywhere close to Oberto in the areas Kori mentioned, there won't be any argument against starting Francisco.
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