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    Xmas trees removed from Sea-Tac

    05:57 PM PST on Saturday, December 9, 2006

    By KIM HOLCOMB / KING 5 News

    No menorah, no tree

    SEA-TAC Airport - All of the Christmas trees inside the terminal at Sea-Tac have been removed in response to a complaint by a rabbi.

    A local rabbi wanted to install an 8-foot menorah and have a public lighting ceremony. He threatened to sue if the menorah wasn’t put up, and gave a two-day deadline to remove the trees.

    Sea-Tac public affairs manager Terri-Ann Betancourt said the trees that adorn the Sea-Tac upper and lower levels may not properly represent all cultures.

    She said that since this is their busiest time of year and they don't have time to add a fair representation of all cultures, her department decided to take down all of the decorations, review their policies, and decide if they need to make a change for next year.

    A worker puts away a Christmas tree at Sea-Tac.

    "You know, our focus is on customer service, getting our passengers through the airport, and we thought if we could take the trees down and avoid litigation because we don't want to littigate with this individual, we want to reach some kind of solution," Betancourt said. "But that is going to take some thoughtful discussion and we would like to have time to have that thoughtful discussion."

    Until then, no Christmas decor at Sea-Tac.

    The same decorations have been put up for at least 10 years, she added.

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    Why couldn't they put up the menorah? That would have been cool. Then they could do a skit where a plane with one hour worth of jet fuel miraculously is able to circle the airport for eight.

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    Why couldn't they put up the menorah? That would have been cool. Then they could do a skit where a plane with one hour worth of jet fuel miraculously is able to circle the airport for eight.
    So, you've been to SeaTac, then...

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    Should have posted this here instead of the club.


    http://www.jimuhing.com/jimsworld/emails/noxmas.swf

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    They should have made inter-religion christmas trees???

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    But, but didn't someone say just the other day, no one is attacking Christmas.
    Seems as though someone didn't get the message.

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    Are you saying this jewish guy was attacking Christmas?

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    Are you saying this jewish guy was attacking Christmas?
    What do you think?

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    Lame. SeaTac is ugly. It probably could have used the Christmas trees.

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    I just hope that they recycled them. You know how those folks up there are about
    hurting Mother Nature and her children. The trees.

    Well maybe they were fake. Otherwise they may have gotten into trouble with
    the environmentalist. Got to be careful now days and not offend anyone, except
    the Christians. It's okay to offend them.

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    What do you think?
    I think he wanted a big ass menorah there as well.

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    But, but didn't someone say just the other day, no one is attacking Christmas.
    Seems as though someone didn't get the message.
    You just love being the oppressed majority...don't you X?

    You are right though. Christians have it bad in this country. All religious displays are Christian. There are public Christian prayers at sporting events. The president is an alleged Christian. Most members of congress are Christian.

    Damned Jewish bas wanted a lousy decoration.

    Lynch party any-1?

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    Only in America!

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    You just love being the oppressed majority...don't you X?

    You are right though. Christians have it bad in this country. All religious displays are Christian. There are public Christian prayers at sporting events. The president is an alleged Christian. Most members of congress are Christian.

    Damned Jewish bas wanted a lousy decoration.

    Lynch party any-1?
    You have a right not to participate, you know.

    And you left out that Congress and Supreme Court open
    with prayer. Oh-my!

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    You have a right not to participate, you know.

    And you left out that Congress and Supreme Court open
    with prayer. Oh-my!
    I hate to mix issues here...

    But you have a right not to participate in gay marraige as well, Mr. X, but you seem to get all worked up about that now don't ya...

    Also, would it be the same if they started praying to Allah in Arabic before every major event?

    I don't remember, do you have a problem with the claims that the Muslim congressman wantint to swear on a Kuran?

    You whine and moan about being oppressed, and only because other groups want 1/10th of the attention that yours gets.

    God how I wish that reincarnation was real so that you could come back to life as a Muslim-Mexican/American. That would just light up my life. You would know what it feels like to be oppressed. It might make you stop to think how petty it is to be complaining about some people wanting equality in holiday decorations.

    Sad, Sad, Sad.

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    you'd think it would be less money and trouble and time to put up a single menorah rather than take down all those christmas trees

    Then the buddhists will want a buddha there and then the muslims will that they don't have anything to put there. And the atheists will want nothing there at all. Also it's not just a sngle menorah, it's an 8 foot menorrah, where the do you get an 8 foot menorrah

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    I don't think the problem is a Rabbi wanting a Menorah display in the airport, the problem is a Rabbi demanding that they put up what he wants or he'll sue. They took everything down because the thought of a lawsuit spooked them. I'm not planning on flying before Christmas so it doesn't really affect me, it's just kind of sad that even Christmas trees no longer fit into our PC/anti-anything-remotely-related-to-Christianity society.

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    you'd think it would be less money and trouble and time to put up a single menorah rather than take down all those christmas trees
    Perhaps they were afraid that the menorah would disrupt the feng shui.

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    I sincerely hope that the rabbi's first action was not to play the legal action card. From the tone of the article, he was making specific demands and requiring full complicity within his timeframe or else.

    The 25th day of Chislev holds significant meaning in both the Judeo and Christian histories. I think the Hannakuh Menorah with the servant candle, the Maccabees, the miracle of the oil and so forth is a great historical story that has much symbolism with the Christian celebration of the birth of Jesus.

    I would be all for having both iconic displays together in the airport. Heck, let's even throw in some Kwanzaa, Muslim and Buddhist stuff just to be inclusive, even though none of those have any cultural, historical or religious ties to the Judeo-Christian holidays cebrated in December. I'm sure they would do the same.

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    I'm not planning on flying before Christmas so it doesn't really affect me
    How would it affect you at all?

    It's a damn airport. Spend the money on more security so we can get through the lines faster and I can put my shoes back on.

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    You just love being the oppressed majority...don't you X?

    You are right though. Christians have it bad in this country. All religious displays are Christian. There are public Christian prayers at sporting events. The president is an alleged Christian. Most members of congress are Christian.

    Damned Jewish bas wanted a lousy decoration.

    Lynch party any-1?
    Mr 85, I am not oppressed or depressed. I am
    just pointing out the fact that folks like you don't
    seem to realize: Millions can want and enjoy
    something and one lousy Rabbi, yeah, a Jew,
    can look at it as he is being left out or offended
    and change the whole tradition of our country.

    You of course, being the educated fool that you
    are, would not see that. Now same sex marriage
    is your thingy. That is real a civil rights issue while
    Christian culture which got you where you are,
    is not a civil rights issue. You must have the
    right to screw some other guy in the butt or
    take his member in your mouth or put on a dildo
    and stick in your lovers vagina or your tongue,
    what ever turns you on. That it is a civil rights
    issue. You/they have that right now. We "straights"
    say fine, do it, just don't pretend that you are
    like man and woman, because you damn well
    aren't!

    Maybe we should embrace it, it at least would
    cut down on abortions, which most of you seem
    to think doesn't take a human life.

    But oppressed, I am not. I have my God and
    that is who I embrace and celebrate on the
    coming date that was chosen as his birthday.
    And to let a simple twerp like you ruin he joy
    and good cheer which Christians enjoy. I
    don't think so. And the great part is, I know
    you will sit down with your family and enjoy the
    same. So My Friend. Merry Christmas, Happy
    New Year and May God Bless You, Your Family
    and Girl Friend.

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    Mr 85, I am not oppressed or depressed. I am
    just pointing out the fact that folks like you don't
    seem to realize: Millions can want and enjoy
    something and one lousy Rabbi, yeah, a Jew,
    can look at it as he is being left out or offended
    and change the whole tradition of our country.

    You of course, being the educated fool that you
    are, would not see that. Now same sex marriage
    is your thingy. That is real a civil rights issue while
    Christian culture which got you where you are,
    is not a civil rights issue. You must have the
    right to screw some other guy in the butt or
    take his member in your mouth or put on a dildo
    and stick in your lovers vagina or your tongue,
    what ever turns you on. That it is a civil rights
    issue. You/they have that right now. We "straights"
    say fine, do it, just don't pretend that you are
    like man and woman, because you damn well
    aren't!

    Maybe we should embrace it, it at least would
    cut down on abortions, which most of you seem
    to think doesn't take a human life.

    But oppressed, I am not. I have my God and
    that is who I embrace and celebrate on the
    coming date that was chosen as his birthday.
    And to let a simple twerp like you ruin he joy
    and good cheer which Christians enjoy. I
    don't think so. And the great part is, I know
    you will sit down with your family and enjoy the
    same. So My Friend. Merry Christmas, Happy
    New Year and May God Bless You, Your Family
    and Girl Friend.
    Inflating the issue a little bit, don't you think? The rabbi, by making them add a bloody decoration, has single-handedly caused the downfall of American culture. Wow. Impressive move, really.

    The rabbi, and others like him, don't want to destroy Christmas, they just want other holidays recognized. You can still sing Jingle Bells underneath the mistletoe while drinking egg-nog. Nobody can nor will take that away. You can still see christmas decorations. However, you will have to suffer through seeing an occassional Jewish decoration. That hardly seems like the life-changing torture that you think it is.

    As you said yourself, you don't have to participate. You don't have to convert to Judaism just because you see a decoration. You can continue doing your thing, just with other people doing theirs.

    You are such a bloody drama-queen.

    Side note, I am pro-choice. Don't lump me with others just because you don't understand that somebody could not toe the party line as you do. And not all conservatives wear George Bush pampers like you do, and can agree with things outside of the regular line of thought.

    Also, I am sorry if this "simple twerp" is raining on your parade, but I make, or encourage, no efforts to dissuade you from doing as you please. I will join you on December 25th to celebrate the pagan holiday of christmas beside the Christmas tree-God.

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    This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend sandman's Avatar
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    The rabbi, and others like him, don't want to destroy Christmas, they just want other holidays recognized.
    IMO, the story plays out like the airport was open to the idea, but could not comply with the rabbi's imposed two day deadline before legal action was initiated. Am I the only one who thinks that giving a municipally-run facility two days to get ANYTHING done, much less finding and installing an 8-foot Menorah, was a bit unrealistic?

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    The drama queen. Indeed. You as stated are nothing more than a person
    with no idea of what this country is about. Live in ignorance, my fine educated,
    uneducated friend.

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    The drama queen. Indeed. You as stated are nothing more than a person
    with no idea of what this country is about. Live in ignorance, my fine educated,
    uneducated friend.
    Live in ignorance of what? I'm sorry, but I want you to tell me precisely what I do not know about America and its origins. I want you to tell me where I am wrong about freedom of religion. Where I am wrong about the protection from tyranny of the majority and the birth of minority rights. Where in the bloody am I wrong about this not being a Christian nation?

    Enlighten me. Help this poor educated, yet uneducated man find the truth.

    By the way, educated and uneducated is an oxymoron, and doesn't say anything. Next time try educated yet ignorant.

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