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    Elson/Oberto: 38 mpg
    Rasho/Nazr: 37 mpg

    Elson/Oberto: 11.1 ppg
    Rasho/Nazr: 10.8 ppg

    Elson/Oberto:10.3 rpg
    Rasho/Nazr: 9.3 rpg

    Elson/Oberto: 2.4 ast
    Rasho/Nazr: .8 ast

    Elson/Oberto: 55% FG
    Rasho/Nazr: 52% FG

    Elson/Oberto: 78% FT
    Rasho/Nazr: 54% FT

    So who wanted to overpay those guys?

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    lets see playoffs first

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    Nazr turned out to be a big scrub. I really liked him in the 05 playoffs, but after that, he was a complete waste.

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    Nazr turned out to be a big scrub. I really liked him in the 05 playoffs, but after that, he was a complete waste.
    His 05 playoff success is blown out of proportion. He averaged like 7 and 5.

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    Elson/Oberto: 38 mpg
    Rasho/Nazr: 37 mpg

    Elson/Oberto: 11.1 ppg
    Rasho/Nazr: 10.8 ppg

    Elson/Oberto:10.3 rpg
    Rasho/Nazr: 9.3 rpg

    Elson/Oberto: 2.4 ast
    Rasho/Nazr: .8 ast

    Elson/Oberto: 55% FG
    Rasho/Nazr: 52% FG

    Elson/Oberto: 78% FT
    Rasho/Nazr: 54% FT

    So who wanted to overpay those guys?
    From a strictly financial viewpoint, Fab-Fran makes better sense.

    Skill wise, Rasho/Nazi were better interior defenders, but Fab-Fran are better passers (Fab) and more athletic (Fran).

    Pretty much a wash on the court at this stage in the season. I don't see either of them winning games or costing us games so far.

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    His 05 playoff success is blown out of proportion. He averaged like 7 and 5.
    D-Fence D-Fence D-Fence

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    Did someone just try to pimp Nazr's defense?

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    Elson/Oberto: 11.1 ppg
    Rasho/Nazr: 10.8 ppg

    Elson/Oberto:10.3 rpg
    Rasho/Nazr: 9.3 rpg
    I hope Elson/Oberto can end up averaging more than that.

    Nazr/Rasho averaged 11 and 9 here last (regular) season and the Spurs a little more than that.

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    His 05 playoff success is blown out of proportion. He averaged like 7 and 5.
    Doesn't matter. I'm not talking about his stats.

    He actually had a presence on the court. He dunked on people. He hustled more, tried to get a lot of offensive boards, and was more aggressive.

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    He actually had a presence on the court. He dunked on people. He hustled more, tried to get a lot of offensive boards, and was more aggressive.
    He did that for just a few games of the playoffs. He's like Speedy Claxton, people remember a couple games and pretend in their heads that was the norm.

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    From a strictly financial viewpoint, Fab-Fran makes better sense.

    Skill wise, Rasho/Nazi were better interior defenders, but Fab-Fran are better passers (Fab) and more athletic (Fran).

    Pretty much a wash on the court at this stage in the season. I don't see either of them winning games or costing us games so far.
    True. Hopefully they will actually play in the postseason, and that will be where they surpass Rasho/Nazr's contributions.

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    Did someone just try to pimp Nazr's defense?
    That is what I was thinking. Like we didn't have a few other players who knew a little bit about defense.

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    He did that for just a few games of the playoffs. He's like Speedy Claxton, people remember a couple games and pretend in their heads that was the norm.
    Whatever.

    He pooped on Denver, that's all I care about.

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    if they can poop on dallas in the playoffs this year
    they are both greater then nash and rasho!

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    if they can poop on dallas in the playoffs this year
    they are both greater then nash and rasho!
    Nash???


    I know the names can get confusing every once in a while, but how can one confuse Steve Nash with Nazr Mohammed?

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    here's to more pooping on opponents!

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    Did someone just try to pimp Nazr's defense?
    Opponents driving the lane in 2005 and finding Nazr and Duncan instead of Duncan and smallballer. Which was more effective?

    Also timely shots blocked, even if only a *few* games, helped tremendously in winning those *few* games and series. Ya know, the 4 series the Spurs were in?

    4 better then 2. That's what i be pimpin.

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    Thanks for the research. It's interesting to see the statistical comparison. Since both sets were/are screen-setters and rebounders in their Spurs' roles, it's tough to use pure stats to see their team values.

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    Opponents driving the lane in 2005 and finding Nazr and Duncan
    Actually they found Duncan. Nazr was standing 10 feet away studying his playbook flash cards.

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    Elson/Oberto: 11.1 ppg
    Rasho/Nazr: 10.8 ppg

    Elson/Oberto:10.3 rpg
    Rasho/Nazr: 9.3 rpg

    Elson/Oberto: 2.4 ast
    Rasho/Nazr: .8 ast

    So who wanted to overpay those guys?
    I wonder what the turnover comparison would be? Rasho was OK I'm guessing, but NAZR sucked?

    And I don't suppose there's a category for having dunk shot blocked after three pump fakes.

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    I wonder what the turnover comparison would be? Rasho was OK I'm guessing, but NAZR sucked?

    And I don't suppose there's a category for having dunk shot blocked after three pump fakes.
    Not unless there is a category for most passes from slashing guards 3 feet from the basket that were brink-handed out of bounds.

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    Elson/Oberto: 38 mpg
    Rasho/Nazr: 37 mpg

    Elson/Oberto: 11.1 ppg
    Rasho/Nazr: 10.8 ppg

    Elson/Oberto:10.3 rpg
    Rasho/Nazr: 9.3 rpg

    Elson/Oberto: 2.4 ast
    Rasho/Nazr: .8 ast

    Elson/Oberto: 55% FG
    Rasho/Nazr: 52% FG

    Elson/Oberto: 78% FT
    Rasho/Nazr: 54% FT

    So who wanted to overpay those guys?
    you forgot about D...
    Elson/Oberto: 1.1 bpg
    Rasho/Nazr: 3.1 bpg

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    you forgot about D...
    Elson/Oberto: 1.1 bpg
    Rasho/Nazr: 3.1 bpg

    Rasho/Nazr : 2.3 bpg

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    $5,500,000 vs $12,495,000

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    BTW, to me the most accurate comparaison is between 2005-2006 Rasho/Nazr and 2006-2007 Elson/Oberto.

    Elson/Oberto: 38.6 mpg
    Rasho/Nazr: 36.3 mpg

    Elson/Oberto: 11.2 ppg
    Rasho/Nazr: 10.7 ppg

    Elson/Oberto:10.5 rpg
    Rasho/Nazr: 9.1 rpg

    Elson/Oberto: 2.4 ast
    Rasho/Nazr: 0.9 ast

    Elson/Oberto: 54.4% FG
    Rasho/Nazr: 50.9% FG

    Elson/Oberto: 78.0% FT
    Rasho/Nazr: 75.2% FT

    Elson/Oberto: 0.79 steals
    Rasho/Nazr: 0.52 steals

    Elson/Oberto: 1.17 blocks
    Rasho/Nazr: 1.71 blocks

    Elson/Oberto: 2.15 TO
    Rasho/Nazr: 1.80 TO

    Elson/Oberto: 5.7 PF
    Rasho/Nazr: 5.4 PF

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