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    What's the point of even having him on the team if he's not going to be out on the court when we need a three at the end of the game?

    If Pop doesn't believe in him, why should we?

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    Barry is one of the league leaders and he was wiping up sweat under the basket between plays, during timeouts and after the game.

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    What's wrong with you Shoog? Don't you know the play for Bowen was brilliant?

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    I don't expect Brent Barry to necessarily be in at the end of the game.

    But we've been hearing all year how Horry's around for the special moments in the special games. Well, this was one. And we got to see Fabricio Oberto and Bruce Bowen.

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    why didn't he take a ing shot???

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    I don't have a problem with the play drawn up, but the personnel. Can anyone remember the last game winner Bruce Bowen hit?

    It seems even Pop's given up on Horry.

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    why didn't he take a ing shot???
    I'm glad he didn't shoot

    he woudl've just gone 1-3 and helped give the game away with finley, barry, udrih, and bowen


    How in god's name this team even hit 100 points once, let alone averaged that much is beyond me

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    Spurs move to the equivalent of running the ball and prevent D in the 2nd half.

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    It seems even Pop's given up on Horry.
    Yeah I thought that too. Lately he hasn't been around in critical moments.

    But I'm just sick of small ball. Too many stretches of small ball again tonight.

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    Oh, yeah, and I thought this was supposed to be the dawn of the Matt Bonner era, too.

    I think he might have been able to at least grab some of those 20,000 offensive rebounds the Mavs got in the second half.

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    What's the point of even having him on the team if he's not going to be out on the court when we need a three at the end of the game?
    Oberto was in there to set a screen. The play was designed to get a wide open three in the opposite corner ... and the play worked.

    You run a Horry/Manu pick-and-roll and the players can just switch because Horry can't set nearly as good of a pick as Oberto can. The Mavs had to send help, Duncan picked off the rotating defender and the play worked perfectly.

    What would Horry being on the floor have changed for the better?

    Spurs fans are classic. They use Manu last year as a decoy and Barry luckily bounces in a three and Spurs fans praise the play. This time, they run almost the same play and Spurs fan get all whiney

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    Oh, yeah, and I thought this was supposed to be the dawn of the Matt Bonner era, too.

    I think he might have been able to at least grab some of those 20,000 offensive rebounds the Mavs got in the second half.
    Yeah, Bonner grabbed two rebounds in two minutes. That obviously was against the game plan. It just wouldn't be a Spurs vs. Mavs game if Dallas didn't dominate the boards.

    This makes what like 11 or 12 straight games the Mavs have outrebounded the Spurs? I've lost count.

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    The play worked and was executed very well. I just wish we had someone else to put in that corner. But honestly, who? Horry hadn't hit all game. Barry hadn't hit all game. Finley hit a few things, but for the most part wasn't on. Bonner didn't even get any burn.

    The Spurs need SOME outside shooting outside of Manu if they're going to compete.

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    I need to look up the 3rd Q rebounding stats, because I swear to god that Dallas had at least twice as many as the Spurs. Thats just sick.

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    I need to look up the 3rd Q rebounding stats, because I swear to god that Dallas had at least twice as many as the Spurs. Thats just sick.
    Actually I believe they said on the broadcast it was 15-5.

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    a) Barry went 8/12 and 4/7 from 3 in the game against the Kings. Bowen is 2-17 and hasn't hit a 3 since the return of the leather ball. Running that play for someone who's hot is smart. Running it for someone who hasn't been throwing it in the ocean is not. (Unless said cold shooter is Robert Horry, or so we have been told.)

    b) You still haven't answered the question: what do we have Horry around for?

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    The play worked and was executed very well. I just wish we had someone else to put in that corner. But honestly, who? Horry hadn't hit all game.
    Ah, but we keep hearing the beauty of Robert Horry is that he can be counted on to step up no matter how poorly he has been playing up to that point.

    So is that true or not?

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    Heh, I called him out earlier in the year. I don't think he has much in the tank left. He stepped up his play for awhile, but he has the problem that virtually - no not virtually - EVERY bench player we have has. They all have no consistency. Outside of the big three, you can't count on anything on a nightly basis from this group.

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    Oberto was in there to set a screen. The play was designed to get a wide open three in the opposite corner ... and the play worked.

    You run a Horry/Manu pick-and-roll and the players can just switch because Horry can't set nearly as good of a pick as Oberto can. The Mavs had to send help, Duncan picked off the rotating defender and the play worked perfectly.

    What would Horry being on the floor have changed for the better?

    Spurs fans are classic. They use Manu last year as a decoy and Barry luckily bounces in a three and Spurs fans praise the play. This time, they run almost the same play and Spurs fan get all whiney
    Sorry, but I completely disagree with the choice of personnel... the play was great though.

    For the last play I put Barry, Horry, Manu, Tim and Parker, with Parker driving to the basket and Manu open in the corner, with Tim and Horry screening for Manu and Barry at the top of the key for an alternate 3 point opportunity. Parker with penetration and two outlets for 3-pters in case Manu is not open in the corner.

    Anyway, I think this is a bad loss. Is Tim a step or two slower lately? Is he with the flu? He played horrible both on offense and defense in the second half.

    And yeah... small ball... since last year I am tired of it. Finley playing PF is a horrible lineup statistically... I cannot believe Pop is so freaking stubborn to see it.

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    a) Barry went 8/12 and 4/7 from 3 in the game against the Kings. Bowen is 2-17 and hasn't hit a 3 since the return of the leather ball. Running that play for someone who's hot is smart. Running it for someone who hasn't been throwing it in the ocean is not. (Unless said cold shooter is Robert Horry, or so we have been told.)
    Who did you want shooting the ball? I've already posted that I disagreed with the choice of Bowen. But Barry and Finley were bricking shots all day. Horry hadn't taken a shot.

    And that play works because Manu is the one creating it. If Parker runs a pick-and-roll in that situation, they just go under the screen and force Parker to take the jumper. With Manu they have to run him off the three-pointer. And who else on the team (or the league for that matter) can make the cross court bounce pass under pressure to the shooter in the corner?

    Bowen was a bad choice but out of Bowen, Finley and Barry ... Bowen was warm and showed more of a pulse than the other two.

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    That Pop, he should've had Ginobili run the play and shoot the shot.

    Pop damn moron.

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    It's not even like Bruce missed the shot so badly either. He was wide open and got a chance to look at it for a good 5 seconds it seemed. Plus it was his shot, his spot. Manu made an incredible pass.

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    Who did you want shooting the ball? I've already posted that I disagreed with the choice of Bowen. But Barry and Finley were bricking shots all day. Horry hadn't taken a shot.
    Horry's rep is that he's supposed to hit that shot anway. Not having taken a shot prior would just be icing on the cake.

    The best answer might have been Bonner, but only if Pop had given him 3rd quarter minutes in place of Barry like he should have anyway.

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    Look I love Bruce, but does anyone remember him hitting a last second game winner?

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    b) You still haven't answered the question: what do we have Horry around for?
    WTF? You think Horry is around to set screens?

    You think Horry was the one to go to in that situation? He hadn't taken a shot all night. If Pop had drawn up a play for Horry and he misses, the same fans would be in here crying about Horry getting the shot

    Horry is around to hopefully do what he did in the 2005 run: play defense, get rebounds and make big plays during the course of the game. Not set a screen for Manu to force Dallas to send defenders and leave a player wide open in the other corner.

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