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You are a smart man.
...reading some of the posts on this forum has lead me to a conclusion, a conclusion i played with some time ago, but until now, was not convinced of. a lot of you are idiots and don't know a damn thing about CFB.
1. Florida is the best team in the country, you could make an argument for USC and LSU and Boise State...but you have to give it to Florida
2. ohio state and michigan, while both top 10 teams and very good just cannot keep up with the speed of some of the other top 10 teams. USC smashed michigan and Florida smashed ohio state...
3. ohio state cannot beat florida, period. ohio state got beat about as bad as someone can get beat in a le game...btw, ohio state had a whopping 82 yards of offense...the lowest total in BCS le history. doesn't matter if Ginn played or not, he is not a 27 point difference and florida still works ohio state
4. troy smith was the heisman winner and deserved it; one game does not decide the heisman and one game does not take it away
5. saying boise state can beat florida is asinine, do they deserve a shot...maybe, yeah. but saying they are the best or they deserve a spit le is....stupid. USC, LSU, and Florida would WORK okla and WORK Boise State. though, i am not saying they don't deserve a shot...thats much different than actually saying they would win it all or should get a split...
6. the layoff is not why ohio state lost...they are not good enough and Meyer completely out coached Tressel, the supposed best big game coach
7. when something happens that people cannot explain or an event occurs that goes against what some think/want to happen it is...unfortunately...often written off as luck or a fluke (and yes t.u. won the national le last year and were the better team that day, never said they were not, but that game could have gone either way...this was annihilation)
8. imo, the final top 5:
1. Florida
2. USC
3. LSU
4. Boise State
5. Ohio State
9. the 2 supposed 'best' teams that half the media wanted to see play in the le game....well, no news to me, but the media is usually stupid
10. quit acting like re s, just b/c ohio state lost does not mean the CFB world does not make sense and everything decided to this point was wrong...some of it: sure, but not nearly as much as 'you' guys say
Last edited by johngateswhiteley; 01-09-2007 at 04:34 AM.
You are a smart man.
here is the final coaches and AP poll:
Week 17 AP Top 25
1. Florida (64) 13-1 1,624
2. Ohio State 12-1 1,492
3. LSU 11-2 1,452
4. USC 11-2 1,389
5. Boise State (1) 13-0 1,383
6. Louisville 12-1 1,338
7. Wisconsin 12-1 1,288
8. Michigan 11-2 1,145
9. Auburn 11-2 1,112
10. West Virginia 11-2 1,035
11. Oklahoma 11-3 933
12. Rutgers 11-2 884
13. Texas 10-3 772
14. California 10-3 697
15. Arkansas 10-4 677
16. Brigham Young 11-2 673
17. Notre Dame 10-3 553
18. Wake Forest 11-3 551
19. Virginia Tech 10-3 407
20. Boston College 10-3 353
21. Oregon State 10-4 291
22. TCU 11-2 279
23. Georgia 9-4 204
24. Penn State 9-4 183
25. Tennessee 9-4 181
OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES
Hawaii 110, Nebraska 58, Maryland 24, South Florida 17, Texas A&M 10, Georgia Tech 8, Kentucky 1, San Jose State 1.
DROPPED FROM RANKINGS
Texas A&M 21, Nebraska 22.
Week 17 USA Today Poll
1. Florida (63) 13-1 1,575
2. Ohio State 12-1 1,435
3. LSU 11-2 1,418
4. USC 11-2 1,345
5. Wisconsin 12-1 1,328
6. Boise State 13-0 1,275
7. Louisville 12-1 1,270
8. Auburn 11-2 1,119
9. Michigan 11-2 1,092
10. West Virginia 11-2 1,012
11. Oklahoma 11-3 849
12. Rutgers 11-2 841
13. Texas 10-3 791
14. California 10-3 716
15. Brigham Young 11-2 615
16. Arkansas 10-4 592
17. Wake Forest 11-3 535
18. Virginia Tech 10-3 494
19. Notre Dame 10-3 485
20. Boston College 10-3 388
21. TCU 11-2 339
22. Oregon State 10-4 206
23. Tennessee 9-4 202
24. Hawaii 11-3 152
25. Penn State 9-4 142
OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES
Georgia 133, Nebraska 43, Texas A&M 29, Georgia Tech 19, South Carolina 17, Houston 8, Maryland 7, Texas Tech 2, Kentucky 1.
DROPPED FROM RANKINGS
Texas A&M 21, Nebraska 22, Georgia Tech 25.
...looks like we have the same top 5 teams, but in different order. frankly, i don't care that ohio state was in the le game...you can't put them ahead of USC, LSU, and Boise State. even though i think USC would beat LSU i have no problem with a ranking of:
1. Florida
2. LSU
3. USC
4. Boise State
5. Ohio State
...cause Ohio State cannot be ahead of those top 3, maybe Boise State...but not that top 3.
I didn't see the game at all. Seeing the final score and stat sheet was rather shocking. I thought Florida could win, but the blowout was unexpected to almost all except die hard Florida homers. I can't really comment on the game though...
I hate the layoff the B10 teams have to endure for the bowl games. Almost 2 months? It's ridiculous JGW and you know it.
As for the rankings, they still suck and will always suck.
Can we have a playoff already?
...you might have to check, but i believe Florida had 35 days off to Ohio States 51. that 16 day difference = a 41-14 ass whipping....i don't think so. this is what happened:
1. florida's defense did not give troy smith anytime to throw the ball
2. ohio state's defense could not keep up with the speed of florida's playmakers
...that has nothing to do with a layoff and everything to do with being an inferior team...just like michigan is inferior to USC for similar reasons. i'll listen to someone argue that the layoff made a 7-10 point difference, but i won't listen to anybody say it would have changed the winner of the game (not saying that you said it would have, but i want to be clear).
while i predicted a florida win...i did predict it to be very close, so of course i was surprised when florida absolutely destroyed the buckeyes. however, watching the game gave me ZERO belief ohio state would win more than 1 or 2 out of 10 from these guys. thats not a knock to buckeye fans...you had a great year, , congrats! there is no shame in not being the best team in country, there is usually only one of them.
I'm not saying it's why they lost at all. I just hate the long layoffs. It makes about as much sense as playing four games and taking the month of October off. Actually, that makes more sense because then the teams would play straight through. We'd get a better barometer of which teams are contenders and which are pretenders.
And where did this Florida team come from? I watched them play 4-5 times and they looked nothing like the team that could dismantle OSU. I mean they barely squeaked by the worst Tennessee team in five years and barely escaped the vaunted Game s. I wonder if they'll send a Thank You card to S. Carolina's kicker...
...i agree long layoffs are garbage. hopefully, that will be remedied later with some type of playoff.
where did florida come from? well, they are a scrappy bunch who happened to play their best game when it mattered most. but, as you know, its all about match ups. so the close game with South Carolina, yeah it was closer than it should have been, but its Spurrier. as for Tennessee, actually last year was their worst team in 5 years, but thats an SEC battle. lots of pride and emotion in inter-conference games...
EDIT: florida's power should have been noted when they dismantled arkansas. that game was not as close as the score....instead of 38-28, it felt more like 38-21 or 38-14.
fwiw, i just heard a stat on espn. the 82 yards allowed by florida was the lowest ever in a BCS game, as i noted above, with 154 being the next lowest in the 2004 sugar bowl (LSU's win over ou). wow!....very impressive....almost half.
1. Not with 2 losses you couldn't. Wisc gets more of an arguement than them. SC lost to a 4-loss team and a 6-loss team. No way they get any arguement for a MNC.
2. And Boise beat uo... does that make the WAC better than the B12?
3. No arguement
4. Heisman is supposed to be for the 'Best Player in College,' not the 'Best Player on the Best Team.' More often than not, the Heisman winner uses the Bowl game to show why he SHOULDN'T have won it. Going back from Leinhart, the last winners to win a MNC and Heisman were Wuerffel and Ware.
5. Saying Boise will beat uo was an asinine statement a week ago.
6. No one in the world can say if it was a factor or not. It is easy to outcoach when your players are blowing the other team off the line on both sides.
7. What??
8. Fla, Boise, Wisc and L'ville should be the top 4 no doubt. The rest are just the rest.
9. If half the media wants these teams to play, doesn't it make sense that half of the media DIDN'T want them to play?
10. Kettle
...i don't think we ever agree, in fact, i would venture to guess you don't like my posts much? therefore, your opinion means close to nothing to me...however, i will do you the courtesy of:
1. wisconsin got smoked by michigan who got smoked by USC...wisconsin beat ARK barely while USC annihilated them. you = turd
2. how would one WAC team beating ou make the WAC better? thats idiotic logic...i'm pretty sure there other teams in those conferences. you = bigger turd
4. i think Troy was the most outstanding college football player...i really do. and one game doesn't change that just as one game shouldn't win it for you. again thats poor logic and if you think he shouldn't have won it? you = really big turd
5. saying Boise State would beat ou a week ago was not asinine if you knew anything about CFB. granted they were an underdog, but ou would get worked by USC, Florida, and LSU...absolutely worked...
6. geez...Meyers game plan was outstanding and his plays flawless, it was Carrollesque, LOL. by the way yes, i can say 51 days to 35 days was not a 27 point difference, sorry. you = humongous turd
7. you just graduated to a ginormous turd
8. do you even watch the games. you = immeasurable turd
9. yeah, it makes sense...but the fact that half (and thats a loose estimate, of course) wanted to see it again was craziness. not sure if you're a bigger turd on that one...
10.....turd explosion
Capt Mike, do you like me?
Of course. I like all adults with the grade school mentality that they are always right and have no other recourse when shown wrong than to result to petty name calling.
...while i am having a little fun with you, your statement couldn't be further from the truth. i have no problem admitting when i am wrong...but you look like an absolute moron with your points 1, 2, 5, 7, 8, 9, 10. its like you don't even watch the games. in any case, i am done talking to you on this matter...but i wish you a great day!
Well, at least it wasn't your tired "turd" or "child" reference. I actually agree with Dio on something - you aren't extremely bright.
WHOAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!1. wisconsin got smoked by michigan who got smoked by USC...wisconsin beat ARK barely while USC annihilated them. you = turd
Weren't you the guy weeks ago that said teams playing the same opposition doesn't matter? And here you are making the argument? "you=turd" does fit in this case. If you are now taking this stance, I think I can pull up several instances that completely defeats your theory - or, better yet, show you why USC sucks.
nope, i said games are all about matchups...but when forced to pick between teams many times you are left with how the teams did against similar opponents. its quite obvious USC is better than Wisconsin and if not b/c if similar opponents, just watch them play.
i am not one of those media people that said boise state, florida, etc had no chance. i don't have a history of saying teams have no chance and then that team proving me wrong...just so you know.
as for what i said, what exactly are you referring to? post it, then.
College football is ing gay and this year proved it once again.
Hey, last month I went to watch my 8 year old nephew compete in the championship football game. Wanna know how they determined who would play in a championship football game............BY A ING PLAYOFF SYSTEM!!!!!!
College football is gay.
Saying that one team would definately beat another is gay.
Saying that one team is better then another because they beat a certain team that that lost to another team that tied another team that never played another team etc.... is gay.
1. yes CFB is disappointing in that there is no playoffs
2. its not gay saying USC is better than Wisconsin, they simply are
Did they play Wisconsin? Did they beat Wisconsin?
Honestly, I don't know the answer to this question, I'm really asking.
no they didn't play each other. however, i would bet everything i own that USC would beat Wisconsin...and i am not lying. anybody that watches a plethora of CFB and has a brain knows this...
How easy is it to make that statement? You know it will never happen.
If the Wisc that beat arKy plays the SC that was dominated by UCLA, then Wisc would win without a doubt.
Go Beavs!
Now I will first acknowledge that it's obvious that every college team cannot play every other college team during a season, this is of course why they have different conferences. But to say for certain that one team would beat another is impossible. Weird happens on game days, players don't come out feeling "right", fumbles occur, balls bounce the way you didn't expect, hook and ladders and statue of liberty plays work to perfection.
I'm not saying that Wisconsin would beat USC, but I am saying that who the knows? That is why college football has never really been that interesting to me.
I have no business saying who is better because I don't follow college ball all that much, but I can say 100% that you never ing know what could happen.
That is why a playoff is needed, and that is why I won't get into it until it has one.
Plus I went to Colorado State so that doesn't help my level of interest, we were more focused on women's golf then we were on football. Trust me, I played football there, we weren't any good.
ha ha. is Wisconsin ranked? what is SC's record against ranked opponents? what is Pete Carroll's record against top 10? ...the game would have been a blowout, there is NO chance of SC not playing a good game against a ranked opponent with Carroll as coach...cause it has never happened. and, yes, i swear on my life i would bet everything i own on SC...i might be sweating before the game, but i would double everything i own.
you're right in that there is always that 1% of a chance...thats true. but i would risk that 1% b/c i just don't see USC having 5+ turnovers. CFB locks are not really that hard to predict...and USC over Wisconsin, whose only top 25 team they beat all year was ARK in their bowl and got worked by michigan...is a lock.
I agree, regular season locks aren't difficult to predict, even if you don't pay that close attention to CFB.
Having said that, this bowl season has for some reason left me extremely jaded towards CFB in general. Mostly because I'm a big BSU fan having lived in Boise for a while and I just think the entire process hosed them by not giving them more of an opportunity. I will not watch CFB until a some sort of playoff is implemented.
Do I think BSU would beat OSU, USC, LSU, Florida, no, but I didn't think they'd beat OU either.
College football is dead to me.
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