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    So much for Manny's meterological future...

    Weather Channel Climate Expert Calls for Decertifying Global Warming Skeptics
    January 17, 2007


    The Weather Channel’s most prominent climatologist is advocating that broadcast meteorologists be stripped of their scientific certification if they express skepticism about predictions of manmade catastrophic global warming. This latest call to silence skeptics follows a year (2006) in which skeptics were compared to "Holocaust Deniers" and Nuremberg-style war crimes trials were advocated by several climate alarmists.

    The Weather Channel’s (TWC) Heidi Cullen, who hosts the weekly global warming program "The Climate Code," is advocating that the American Meteorological Society (AMS) revoke their "Seal of Approval" for any television weatherman who expresses skepticism that human activity is creating a climate catastrophe.

    "If a meteorologist can't speak to the fundamental science of climate change, then maybe the AMS shouldn't give them a Seal of Approval. Clearly, the AMS doesn't agree that global warming can be blamed on cyclical weather patterns," Cullen wrote in her December 21 weblog on the Weather Channel Website.

    This latest call to silence skeptics of manmade global warming has been the subject of discussion at the annual American Meteorological Society’s Annual conference in San Antonio Texas this week.

    "It's like allowing a meteorologist to go on-air and say that hurricanes rotate clockwise and tsunamis are caused by the weather. It's not a political statement...it's just an incorrect statement," Cullen added.
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    Extreme, but I can't blame them for wanting to silence the global warming denying pundits.

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    Extreme, but I can't blame them for wanting to silence the global warming denying pundits.
    You're right, of course. If you can't debate them...silence them.

    Al Gore won't debate.

    The Wall $treet Journal has an interesting subscribers-only op-ed by Jyllands-Posten culture editor Fleming Rose and Bjorn Lomborg on Al Gore's unwillingness to debate or take tough interview questions on his movie and book, An Inconvenient Truth. As Rose and Lomborg tell it, Jyllands-Posten, the Denmark's largest newspaper, had an interview scheduled with Gore to conicide with his visit to the country. The paper also planned to include Lomborg as a counterpoint in the interview, but it was not to be.

    The interview had been scheduled for months. Mr. Gore's agent yesterday thought Gore-meets-Lomborg would be great. Yet an hour later, he came back to tell us that Bjorn Lomborg should be excluded from the interview because he's been very critical of Mr. Gore's message about global warming and has questioned Mr. Gore's evenhandedness. According to the agent, Mr. Gore only wanted to have questions about his book and do entary, and only asked by a reporter. These conditions were immediately accepted by Jyllands-Posten. Yet an hour later we received an email from the agent saying that the interview was now cancelled. What happened?

    One can only speculate. But if we are to follow Mr. Gore's suggestions of radically changing our way of life, the costs are not trivial. If we slowly change our greenhouse gas emissions over the coming century, the U.N. actually estimates that we will live in a warmer but immensely richer world. However, the U.N. Climate Panel suggests that if we follow Al Gore's path down toward an environmentally obsessed society, it will have big consequences for the world, not least its poor. In the year 2100, Mr. Gore will have left the average person 30% poorer, and thus less able to handle many of the problems we will face, climate change or no climate change.
    The article goes on to note that many of Gore specific claims are either based on extremely unlikely scenarios, or misrepresentations of the available evidence. For example, Gore shows seal-level rise scenarios far in excess of UN projections, makes claims about malaria that are contradicted by the historical record, and only discusses the health harms of higher temperatures without considering the benefits.

    Al Gore is on a mission. If he has his way, we could end up choosing a future, based on dubious claims, that could cost us, according to a U.N. estimate, $553 trillion over this century. Getting answers to hard questions is not an unreasonable expectation before we take his project seriously. It is crucial that we make the right decisions posed by the challenge of global warming. These are best achieved through open debate, and we invite him to take the time to answer our questions: We are ready to interview you any time, Mr. Gore -- and anywhere.
    Then you have Kucinich trying to bring back the "Fairness Doctrine." Democrats! Champions of Free Speech!

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    Not even ExxonMobil can find a reason to doubt Global Warming... I'd like to hear the sides of the people who can (with less resources).

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    @ the AMS seal of approval. Yeah, that means pretty much . You don't even need a degree to get that thing. I'd never go into broadcast meteorology either way.

    However, I've never denied global warming in the least. I've been skeptical about the cause being entirely human related and I've been very upset with the way it is presented as a doomsday scenario. That is false. I've maintained all along that there are benefits to go along with the bad aspects of global warming, and thats what people don't ever talk about.

    Oh, and I also take issue everytime Dan tries to blame recent weather on global warming. And Dan, correct me if I'm wrong but I've shown you to be completely off everytime, right? You should just tatoo "Property Of Manny" on your ass dude.

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    Qualifications of the highly prestigious AMS Seal Of Approval:


    1. Register and attend an AMS Broadcast Conference.
    2. Enroll and pass a three-hour accredited college-level meteorology, hydrology, oceanography, geology, physics, chemistry, or dynamics course.
    3. Register and attend an AMS-sponsored workshop pertaining to the atmospheric sciences.
    4. Completion of a COMET module or other National Weather Service training exercise.
    5. Actively participate in the local AMS chapter.

    Niceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

    I guess #6 will be to say exactly what they want you to say, or else.

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    Whats even more funny is that we're talking about broadcast meteorologists here. These are people with no scientific expertise in climate studies by any means. While a few may have a climate study background, the vast majority are under qualified to make any judgments on what causes or doesn't cause global warming.

    This is weak arm twisting and arm twisting of unimportant people at that. Does it really matter what the Albert Flores says in regards to global warming or does it matter more what the head climate scientists of each country say? GMAFB.

    The AMS isn't an important body, and this is an action that means nothing but is funny none the less because some actually think it matters.

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    well, , do any broadcasters ever get right??? they never ing do and they all seem to have jobs... in no other profession can you be wrong 95% of the time and still have a job... , i should've been a meteorologist!

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    A leading climatologist on the Weather Channel in the United States has caused a squall in the industry by arguing that any weather forecaster who dares publicly to question the notion that global warming is a manmade phenomenon should be stripped of their professional certification.

    The call was made by Heidi Cullen, host of a weekly global warming programme on the cable network called The Climate Code, and coincides with a stretch of severely off-kilter weather across the US this winter and moves by Democrats to draft strict new legislation to curb greenhouse gas emissions.

    Specifically, Ms Cullen is suggesting that the American Meteorological Society (AMS) revokes the "seal of approval" that it normally extends to broadcast forecasters in the US in cases where they have expressed scepticism about man's role in pushing up planetary temperatures.
    "It's like allowing a meteorologist to go on-air and say that hurricanes rotate clockwise and tsunamis are caused by the weather," she wrote in her internet blog. "It's not a political statement... it's just an incorrect statement."

    What is soooooooooo hard for people to understand about this

    http://news.independent.co.uk/enviro...cle2165452.ece

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    Damn, MannyIsGod laid some hardcore ownage in this thread.

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    *watching Manny laying down the law in this thread*

    Damn Dan, that's going to leave a mark.

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    Look at Manny get his panties all in a wade.

    Whatever Manny, whose weather prediction record in the club is really, really abismal (wasn't he predicting snow?!? ), thinks of the AMS and broadcast meterology is between himself and God, but it's hard to argue with Heidi Cullen's credentials

    Heidi Cullen

    Heidi finished her assignment as a postdoctoral research scientist on a NOAA Climate and Global Change Fellowship at the International Research Ins ute for Climate Prediction in New York, comes to NCAR with expertise in two distinct areas: history and climate variability. She earned a bachelor's degree in Near Eastern religions and history from Juniata College before going to Columbia University for a bachelor's in engineering and operations research and a Ph.D. in climate variability.

    Combining her interests, Heidi has studied historic drought and climate variability in the Middle East as well as the application of forecasts to water resource management in the La Plata Basin of South America. Her doctoral research at Columbia focused in part on the dynamics of the North Atlantic Oscillation as well as its impact on freshwater supplies in the Middle East.

    In ESIG and CGD, she tests whether the use of climate models can improve water resource management at the world's largest hydroelectric plant: the Itaipu Binacional hydropower facility, which provides power to Brazil and Paraguay. The challenge is to prevent flooding without unnecessarily curbing energy generation.
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    I would say she's much more qualified than Manny on just about any topic, except maybe online gambling.

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    About face....

    This is such bull . Weather forcasters get for being wrong 80% of the time, but thats a total crock. Its a forcast, not a precise prediction. Its not meant to be right or wrong, its meant to give you a general guidline as to what the conditions are for that day.

    That being said, meteorologists do a of a job with their accuracy.
    - 'Manny' Chomsky, 'What Say You Weather Manny' thread in The Club

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    Look at Manny get his panties all in a wade.

    Whatever Manny, whose weather prediction record in the club is really, really abismal (wasn't he predicting snow?!? ), thinks of the AMS and broadcast meterology is between himself and God, but it's hard to argue with Heidi Cullen's credentials

    Heidi Cullen



    Ucar.edu

    I would say she's much more qualified than Manny on just about any topic, except maybe online gambling.
    I predicted winter precipitation a week before the event and when the NWS was saying that there would be no precipitation. (link) (link) (link) But yes I was wrong about the snow I guess. I suck.

    But thats all besides the point. You can deflect all you want to my (admitted) lack of meteorgolical expertise but the fact remains that the AMS Seal of Approval is flat out worthless. The debate in this thread isn't about climate change and whether or not its occuring, its about the AMS Seal of Approval and what it means if they start revoking it.

    I gave you the requirements for that thing and they are very unspectacular. A single 3 hour college course? Give me a ing break! To top it off, the reason for the revocation is ridiculous. What if a TV weatherman says that climate change was a factor in Katrina (wrong), the main factor in our warm winter (wrong) or a factor in any number of unusual weather events occuring where it doesn't apply? Are they going to withdrawl the seal then? Or at what level does the mistake become one where revocation is nessecary? If the weathercaster does not provide proper weather information and gives out factualy incorrect scientific information is that grounds for revocation, and if so why hasn't that been specified before?

    I'll tell you why, because this is a poltical move. If not, they would have said that any statements by people with the AMS Seal that are not supported by proper science are grounds for having your (meaningless) AMS Seal revoked. But they didn't, did they? No, they came out on a single subject which a TV/Radio weatherman has very little to discuss on to begin with! Steve Browne's nightly weathercasts need not even have climate change mentioned because global cliamte change isn't about your day to day weather but about large scale climate change that happens over large periods of time and not during a 7 day forecast.

    So go ahead Dan. Put her credentials up for display and tell everyone around here how I said it was going to snow (along with several of those who are certified by the AMS! Imagine that!) and it didn't snow, but that doesn't change how obvious of a political move this is and how unimportant of one it is as well.

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    About face....



    - 'Manny' Chomsky, 'What Say You Weather Manny' thread in The Club
    An about face? What the are you talking about? Do you not undestand that weather forcasters are not TV weather personalities? TV weather personalties are the ones that are given the AMS seal of approval. Weather forcasters are by far either 1) privately employeed or 2) employed by the NWS or military. It is fair to say that a decent amount of forcasting knowledge is also present in academia, but the AMS grants the Seal of Approval for people on the TV and Radio who for the most part just use the information provided to them by forcasters.

    And forcasters do an amazingly good job.

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    But thats all besides the point. You can deflect all you want to my (admitted) lack of meteorgolical expertise but the fact remains that the AMS Seal of Approval is flat out worthless. The debate in this thread isn't about climate change and whether or not its occuring, its about the AMS Seal of Approval and what it means if they start revoking it.
    I could give a about the AMS Seal of Approval Manny. I think the greater debate here is that a qualified Climitologist like Heidi Cullen, is calling out Global Warming deniers to make a solid case for alternative causes to Global warming or just STFU.

    The original source of this article is highly dubious. Marc Morano, who posted this article on the Senate.gov site, has Nixoian connections to wing-nut Washington power-circles and was even rumored to be involved in the Swift boat campaign against Kerry. So as you have said, this whole thing may turn out to be nothing but politics after all, but for reasons not yet made clear.

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    I could give a about the AMS Seal of Approval Manny. I think the greater debate here is that a qualified Climitologist, Heidi Cullen, is calling out Global Warming deniers to make a solid case for alternative causes to Global warming or STFU.

    Of course, the original source of this article is highly dubious. Marc Morano, who posted this article on the Senate.gov site, has Nixoian connections to wing-nut Washington power-circles and was even rumored to be involved in the Swift boat campaign against Kerry. So as you have said, this whole thing may turn out to be nothing but politics after all.
    Game Over

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    For now.

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    Not even ExxonMobil can find a reason to doubt Global Warming... I'd like to hear the sides of the people who can (with less resources).


    Your right Scott...ExxonMobil has stopped funding groups that are skeptical of G.W. claims...

    MSNBC and Reuters; Updated: 1:42 p.m. ET Jan 12, 2007)

    Oil major Exxon Mobil Corp. is engaging in industry talks on possible U.S. greenhouse gas emissions regulations and has stopped funding groups skeptical of global warming claims — moves that some say could indicate a change in stance from the long-time foe of limits on heat-trapping gases.

    ...

    Boudreux said Exxon in 2006 stopped funding the Compe ive Enterprise Ins ute, a nonprofit advocating limited government regulation, and other groups that have downplayed the risks of greenhouse emissions.

    CEI acknowledged the change. “I would make an argument that we’re a useful ally, but it’s up to them whether that’s in the priority system that they have, right or wrong,” director Fred Smith said on CNBC’s “On the Money.”

    Last year, CEI ran advertisements, featuring a little girl playing with a dandelion, that downplayed the risks of carbon dioxide emissions.

    Since Democrats won control of Congress in November, heavy industries have been nervously watching which route the United States may take on future regulations of carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping gases scientists link to global warming. Several lawmakers on Friday introduced a bill to curb emissions.

    ...

    Exxon’s funding action was confirmed this week by its vice president for public affairs. Kenneth Cohen told the Wall Street Journal that Exxon decided in late 2005 that its 2006 nonprofit funding would not include CEI and "five or six" similar groups.

    Cohen declined to identify the other groups, but their names could become public this spring when Exxon releases its annual list of donations to nonprofit groups.


    Scoring oil

    In a report last year on how oil majors are addressing global warming emissions, Ceres gave Exxon a 35 — the worst of any company. Oil majors BP and Royal Dutch S got 90 and 79, respectively.

    “Given how large and influential Exxon is and that they are basically the last big industry climate skeptic standing, even small moves can have a very big impact,” said Logan.
    MSNBC

    It's time for those wacky, wing-nut Global warming deniers to hang it up.

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    I could give a about the AMS Seal of Approval Manny. I think the greater debate here is that a qualified Climitologist like Heidi Cullen, is calling out Global Warming deniers to make a solid case for alternative causes to Global warming or just STFU.

    The original source of this article is highly dubious. Marc Morano, who posted this article on the Senate.gov site, has Nixoian connections to wing-nut Washington power-circles and was even rumored to be involved in the Swift boat campaign against Kerry. So as you have said, this whole thing may turn out to be nothing but politics after all, but for reasons not yet made clear.
    You must have not gotten Ms. Cullen's memo, it's now called "global climate change." They were having trouble explaining frozen Malibu in the context of "global warming."

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    Typical neocon denial tactics ... use an isolated incident and ignore the overwelming overall warming trend.



    Global warming doesn't mean that everything is always going to be hotter.
    Last edited by CubanMustGo; 01-19-2007 at 12:04 PM.

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    How does she explain this?

    Mars Emerging from Ice Age, Data Suggest

    You know, the debate isn't over whether or not the globe is warming...it's over why and whether or not it's a bad thing.

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    You must have not gotten Ms. Cullen's memo, it's now called "global climate change." They were having trouble explaining frozen Malibu in the context of "global warming."
    O RLY?

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    How does she explain this?

    Mars Emerging from Ice Age, Data Suggest

    You know, the debate isn't over whether or not the globe is warming...it's over why and whether or not it's a bad thing.
    I'm not sure she's an expert on Mars atmospheric conditions. Either way, the conditions on Mars and the conditions on Earth are hardly compareable.

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    I'm not sure she's an expert on Mars atmospheric conditions. Either way, the conditions on Mars and the conditions on Earth are hardly compareable.
    Except that they share the single-most responsible reason for warming...the sun.

    You've -- indeed, the entire global warming Henny Pennys -- limited yourself to thinking globally.

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    Your right Scott...ExxonMobil has stopped funding groups that are skeptical of G.W. claims...

    MSNBC and Reuters; Updated: 1:42 p.m. ET Jan 12, 2007)



    MSNBC

    It's time for those wacky, wing-nut Global warming deniers to hang it up.
    There's a whole thread about this already, Dan, albeit one that got sidetracked by XRay and smeagol arguing about subsidies for fruits or some .

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