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    Blindness on Biofuels

    By Robert J. Samuelson
    Wednesday, January 24, 2007; A23

    President Bush joined the biofuels enthusiasm in his State of the Union address, and no one can doubt the powerful allure. Farmers, scientists and venture capitalists will liberate us from insecure foreign oil by converting corn, prairie grass and much more into gasoline subs utes. Biofuels will even curb greenhouse gases. Already, production of ethanol from corn has surged from 1.6 billion gallons in 2000 to 5 billion in 2006. Bush set an interim target of 35 billion gallons in 2017 on the way to the administration's ultimate goal of 60 billion in 2030. Sounds great, but be wary. It may be a mirage.

    The great danger of the biofuels craze is that it will divert us from stronger steps to limit dependence on foreign oil: higher fuel taxes to prod Americans to buy more gasoline-efficient vehicles and tougher federal fuel economy standards to force auto companies to produce them. True, Bush supports tougher -- but unspecified -- fuel economy standards. But the implied increase above today's 27.5 miles per gallon for cars is modest, because the administration expects gasoline savings from biofuels to be triple those from higher fuel economy standards.

    The politics are simple enough. Americans dislike high fuel prices; auto companies dislike tougher fuel economy standards. By contrast, everyone seems to win with biofuels: farmers, consumers, capitalists. American technology triumphs. Biofuels create rural jobs and drain money from foreign oil producers. What's not to like? Unfortunately, this enticing vision is dramatically overdrawn.

    Let's do some basic math. In 2006, Americans used about 7.5 billion barrels of oil. By 2030, that could increase about 30 percent to 9.8 billion barrels, projects the Energy Information Administration. Much of that rise would reflect higher gasoline demand. In 2030, there will be more people (an estimated 365 million vs. 300 million in 2006) and more vehicles (316 million vs. 225 million). At most, biofuels would address part of the increase in oil demand; it wouldn't reduce our oil use or import dependence from current levels.

    Suppose we reach the administration's ultimate target of 60 billion gallons in 2030. That would offset less than half of the projected increase in annual oil use. Here's why. First, it's necessary to convert the 60 billion gallons into barrels. Because there are 42 gallons in a barrel, that means dividing by 42. Further: Ethanol has only about two-thirds of the energy value of an equal volume of gasoline. When you do all the arithmetic, 60 billion gallons of ethanol displace just under 1 billion barrels of gasoline. If that merely offsets increases in oil use, it won't cut existing import dependence or greenhouse gases.

    The 60 billion-gallon goal -- and the 35 billion-gallon interim target -- are also probably unrealistic. When we rhapsodize about biofuels, we're talking mainly about old-fashioned alcohol (aka ethanol). Until now, most ethanol has been made from corn. If small amounts of toxic gasoline were not added, it could become corn whiskey. Ethanol receives heavy federal subsidies. Oil refiners that blend it with gasoline get a 51-cents-a-gallon tax credit. The subsidy causes them to buy more ethanol, increasing corn demand.

    Naturally, corn farmers love this. They've been the program's main beneficiaries. Although ethanol displaces only tiny amounts of oil (slightly more than 1 percent), it's had a big effect on corn prices. They're about $3 a bushel, up from $2 last year and the highest in a decade. They could go higher. In 2000, ethanol used 6 percent of the U.S. corn crop. In 2006, that was 20 percent, and the ethanol plants under construction would double capacity by 2010. Higher prices for corn (which is fed to poultry, hogs and cattle) raise retail meat prices. Ironically, fuel subsidies may boost food costs.

    But corn harvests won't be large enough to meet either the 35 billion- or 60 billion-gallon targets.
    Large amounts of "cellulosic" ethanol would also be needed -- the term referring to the cellulose in other plants to be converted to ethanol. Prime candidates are farm wastes, including wheat straw and cornstalks. Unfortunately, the chemistry for doing this is far more costly than it is for corn kernels. Without technological advances, cellulosic ethanol won't be economically viable. It could be supported only with massive federal subsidies or direct requirements forcing refiners to use the fuel, regardless of cost. Then the high costs would be passed on to consumers. Congress started down that path in 2005 by enacting a modest mandate for biofuel use.

    Biofuels are certainly worth pursuing. Up to some point, they're even worth subsidizing. Government can nurture new technologies, and breakthroughs for cellulosic ethanol -- hardly inconceivable -- would make a meaningful difference in the U.S. fuel balance. But there's also a real threat that the infatuation with biofuels is a political expediency that will turn into a classic government boondoggle, benefiting selected cons uencies and providing few genuine public benefits. That has already happened with corn.

    Our primary need is to curb reliance on foreign oil. If imports were dependable, they would not be dangerous, but they come from unstable or hostile suppliers. Although our dependence can't be eliminated, it can be reduced. The most obvious way is to improve the efficiency of vehicles by 30 to 50 percent over the next few decades. Americans need more hybrids and more small vehicles. Biofuels might be a complement, but if they blind us to this larger reality, they will be a step backward.

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    This forum has already done the arithmetic on biofuels and found it not helpful.

    oilman dubya's plan is a smokescreen for doing nothing about imported oil (and leaving his owners' (oilco) profits untouched).

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    The ing market won't fix the oil-consumption/foreign-oil-dependence/CO2 pollution problems. The market, aka energyco's, will do everything they can to keep the problems going since they profit so insanely well from those problems.

    It's a situation for the proper role of government to intervene to fix what the market refuses to fix. But since the US electorate has been hyper-sensitized against any taxes by the hate-government right-wing nutters for 20+ years, legislators refuse to mention taxes and tariffs as means to causing solutions to happen that the energycos don't ever want to happen.

    Here's one:

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    January 24, 2007, 8:37 am

    A Taboo Link

    By John Tierney

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    If you thought there was something missing in the energy section of the State of the Union Address, there’s a new Web site to fill in the gap.

    President Bush last night dutifully mentioned the “serious challenge of global climate change” and reeled off ways to address it – burn less gasoline, subsidize other forms of energy. In the Democrats’ response, Sen. James Webb of Virginia dutifully talked of “affirmative solutions” and “a wave of entrepreneurial growth in the form of alternate energy programs.” But neither he nor Mr. Bush went anywhere near economists’ favorite prescription for slowing global warming: a carbon tax.

    The tax is taboo in Washington, but now there’s a place it dares speak its name: the Carbon Tax Center, which opened this week with the aim of becoming “the village square for civic and political conversations about the why, who, and how of taxing CO2 emissions in the U.S. and, eventually, the world.” It’s the creation of an economist, Charles Komanoff, and a lawyer, Daniel Rosenblum, who revel in arcana like calculations of the price-elasticity of energy usage.

    They know they’ve got an uphill fight, because presidents and legislators would rather hand out subsidies and set long-range targets than inflict immediate pain at the pump and in utility bills. But that immediacy is why the carbon tax appeals to so many experts of both parties (at least experts who aren’t running for office). A carbon tax would encourage conservation right away, unlike fuel-efficiency standards for cars in the future.

    The tax would also be quicker and simpler to set up than the alternative approach now under consideration: setting an overall cap on carbon emissions by utilities and handing out tradeable allowances to the companies. As the Carbon Center argues, a tax would be more “transparent and easily understandable” than a cap-and-trade system, and could be “implemented with far less opportunity for manipulation by special interests.”

    But those are just more reasons not to discuss it in Washington.

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    Maybe I am stupid....but, I dont get it.

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    Maybe I am stupid....but, I dont get it.
    I'm glad somebody finally asked. Thanks for stepping up to the plate, DR.

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    Maybe I am stupid....but, I dont get it.
    Control "hot key" shortcuts for cut/copy/paste.

    I think.

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    Control "hot key" shortcuts for cut/copy/paste.

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    Yup. You got it. Nice observation.

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    I'm glad somebody finally asked. Thanks for stepping up to the plate, DR.
    lol...I dont pretend to be anything but myself here. No dumb questions, only dumb answers...yada yada..

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    Control "hot key" shortcuts for cut/copy/paste.

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    he also talked about setting better fuel economy standards and increasing the number of hybrids and plug in cars on the road

    It doesn't matter. Dubya is responsible for 9/11 and global warming.

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    ... many many years away. well after the current crop of oil execs are into retirement with their $100M retirement plans.

    NOTHING of immediate impact, all very distant, very fuzzy pie-in-the-sky bull .

    He doesn't have the the votes to get any of it passed, and when he did have the votes, he didn't do it.

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    ... inserted by copy/paste, without any intelligent comment.

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    ... inserted by copy/paste, without any intelligent comment.

    !! Let me go find an article so I can leave an intelligent comment!

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    !! Let me go find an article so I can leave an intelligent comment!




    I haven't had much of a chance to post over the last week, but man, I come back and actually read some of the stuff Boutons writes........he's an angry little fella isn't he?

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    I haven't had much of a chance to post over the last week, but man, I come back and actually read some of the stuff Boutons writes........he's an angry little fella isn't he?

    Why yes, yes he is.

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    Why yes, yes he is.

    Furthermore, I noticed that on some of his posts, he actually edits like a day later on them........what the is that? Is it possible to be so concerned about your posts that you actually go back and re-read them just to make sure they don't sound ing re ed?


    I mean, I realize that most of Boutons posts are so filled with spelling, punctuation, and other such problems that you can't understand what the he's trying to get across, but why go back and edit if you are already obviously comfortable with your "8th grade ability" type of approach?

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    Furthermore, I noticed that on some of his posts, he actually edits like a day later on them........what the is that? Is it possible to be so concerned about your posts that you actually go back and re-read them just to make sure they don't sound ing re ed?


    I mean, I realize that most of Boutons posts are so filled with spelling, punctuation, and other such problems that you can't understand what the he's trying to get across, but why go back and edit if you are already obviously comfortable with your "8th grade ability" type of approach?
    I think you're on to something. Perhaps this is why he only cut and pastes article after article. If he attempted to actually write his own material he would likely struggle to get to one post a day.

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    Ethanol fuels huge corn planting

    By Reuters
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    Story last modified Fri Mar 30 11:41:50 PDT 2007


    U.S. farmers plan to cash in on the fuel ethanol boom by planting the largest area of corn in 63 years, potentially yielding a record crop and calming fears that renewable fuels will steal grain needed for food and feed, the federal government said Friday.

    At the Chicago Board of Trade, corn futures prices plunged the daily trading limit of 20 cents a bushel on prospects for a huge crop. Prices for this year's soybean crop fell as much as 33 cents a bushel, and wheat was down 27 cents a bushel.

    Yet even with record output, this year's corn crop could sell for a record $3.50 to $3.60 a bushel at the farm gate, market watchers said. Corn prices on the cash market have doubled since last fall due to explosive growth in the ethanol industry, driving up costs for cattle, dairy, hog and poultry producers.

    Based on a survey of 86,000 farmers earlier this month, the Agriculture Department projected corn (maize) plantings of 90.454 million acres, which would be the largest acreage since 1944. With normal weather and yields, the harvest would be 12.5 billion bushels--700 million bushels more than the record set in 2004.

    "With a medium yield, we could get just about enough corn in the year ahead," said private consultant John Schnittker. USDA forecasts corn usage of 12.3 billion bushels in 2007-2008, including 3.2 billion bushels for making ethanol, up 1 billion bushels from the 2006 crop.

    Farmers could collect nearly $46 billion with a mammoth corn crop, said Ann Duignan, an analyst at Bear Stearns, "which in our view is positive" for sales of farm equipment.

    The chairman of farm equipment maker Agco, Martin Richenhagen, said when farmers are flush with cash, "they often then invest in equipment."

    The Renewable Fuels Association, a trade group for alternative fuels, said with high yields the U.S. corn crop could hit 13 billion bushels. "Such a harvest would meet the needs of all the sectors that rely on it," said RFA.

    There are 114 ethanol distilleries in operation across the country which produce ethanol from corn. Production is projected to exceed 6 billion gallons this year compared with 4.89 billion gallons in 2006, and some 3 billion gallons in capacity will be added in 2007, the group said.

    Planting intentions are months away from actual harvests.

    "The weather is going to drive it all,"
    said Tom Buis, president of the National Farmers Union, pointing to the uncertainties of the growing season.

    Growers told USDA they will cut back on soybeans in the Midwest and on cotton and rice in the South to sow more corn. Soybeans are forecast at 67.140 million acres, the smallest area since 1996, while upland cotton would be the smallest since 1989 at 11.855 million acres. Rice, at 2.64 million acres, would have the smallest seeded area since 1987.

    USDA forecasts only a modest rise in food prices this year, but said, "With high corn prices increasing feed costs, beef and poultry price increases should begin to accelerate in 2007."

    Schnittker said a large corn crop this year would stabilize food prices in 2008.

    Iowa, traditionally the No. 1 corn state, would plant 13.9 million acres this year, up 1.3 million acres from 2006, USDA said. Illinois would plant a record 12.9 million acres of corn, up 1.6 million acres, while cutting soybean plantings by 1.4 million acres, the largest decline in the country.


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    weren't we having an argument over ethanol last year and all the lib jackass's here were saying no way to an extra 10 million acres of corn? Try 12 and that's still without ANY CRP being opened up. Nothing like getting worked up over good grain prices, forgetting the economical impact they have on rural america. How much less money will be diverted from the farm program when you factor in no LDP payments for corn/beans/wheat/etc.. at all this year? What about the CRP payments coming off the books as they go towards corn acres? Now i can see some on here don't understand that corn becomes MORE VALUABLE as a feed after it is processed for ethanol. much more nutrious and the great thing feedlot's and milker's have figured out is that it can be blended with straw or other low grade feeds. You're not losing that corn as a feed product. Classic boutons. You about the food quality but fail to understand why farmers have rasied a big middle finger towards that market when it hasn't paid us jack for years.

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    Paraphrasing my idol, Mr. Hugo Chavez (and his idol, Mr. Fidel Castro), "Using food to run our cars is criminal when half of the world is starving".

    (we should use Venezuela's oil and contaminate the our of this planet!)

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    Ehtanol Math



    The negative energy theory may have been true years ago but not now. Believe me, there's a million things that aren't being factored in in just the production stage. Ethanol and Biodiesel are tied together tightly in the production area.

    They can make gas out of turkey and have been able to do that for years now but its not feasible enough to do widespread. Geuss what? there's still improving it! Should they stop bc its not penciling out?
    Ok let's do some math.

    Let's assume:
    1. Corn is as efficient as sugar cane in producing ethanol. The reading that I have done is that it is still much less productive at converting mass into fuel, but let's roll with this for simplicity's sake.

    2. Ethanol has as much energy in it per volume as gasoline. I seem to remember it is a bit less, but again, simplicity.

    From the wikipedia article on ethanol in brazil, we can pull out the following information:

    Amount of sugar crop acreage allocated to Ethanol in 2003-2004:
    8789 square miles.
    45,000 km2, of which half is used for ethanol, and converted into square miles)

    This square area produces:
    88 Million barrels of ethanol per year
    (cubic meters converted to liters at 1000 liters per cubic meter, converted to gallons at .256 liters per gallon, converted to barrels at 42 gallons per barrel of petroleum)

    Directly converting this to gasoline would yield 88 million barrels of gasoline per year using our simplified assumptions.

    The US uses 3,321,500,000 barrels of gasoline per year per ( http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/aer/ep/ep_frame.html )

    3.3Bn divided by 88M= 37.75 (the number of times larger that US gasoline consumption is than Brazil's consumption)

    37.75 times 8789 square miles is 331,521 square miles.

    Assume we can find 50% of that figure in unused crop land, that leaves us with 160,500 square miles of NEW crop land that would be need to completely replace gasoline with ethanol at current usage rates.

    Factor in the fact that Ethanol has less energy per unit of mass, and that square mileage will go up. Subs ute a less efficient crop of corn, and that square mileage will go up.

    According to the CIA factbook the united states has only 87,000 square miles of irrigated land now.
    Where would we get the water to irrigate the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF SQUARE MILES of crop land that fully replacing gasoline with ethanol will take, ASSUMING we can find the arable land?

    Saying "let's just replace our gasoline powered cars with ethanol" doesn't make it viable as a realistic solution.

    Rolling forward a bit:

    Yes, we will have to start driving less and buying more efficient vehicles. This will reduce the square mileage needed.

    Our population is also growing, as is the economy. This will increase demand for fuel. This will offset gains from efficiency somewhat, if not a lot.

    Yes, agricultural production will become more efficient, again reducing the square mileage issue. But not by enough of a conceivable factor to replace gasoline as it stands.

    Biodiesel will face the same problems of water and arable land. Keep in mind that the figure given was just for gasoline, and not for diesel. Replacing oil-diesel with biodeisel will require a similar ramp up in devoted area to crops.

    One good factor that the wikipedia article pointed out is that a good chunk of the waste mass from producing ethanol can be used to produce electricity beyond what the refining process uses.

    I am not saying that ethanol is stupid.
    Ethanol is certainly part of what I consider part of an energy solution that takes a longer term view. I am all for ramping up usage of this renewable source of energy.

    I simply wanted to point out the scale of the problem we are trying to address.

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    The thing that Chavez and a lot of other leftists do miss about ethanol is that it won't really take food out of people's mouths.

    What it DOES do is puts money in the pockets of farmers.

    Considering that farming employs more people than any other occupation in the developing world, would that not be a good thing?

    You want the solution to the war on drugs?

    Go biofuels. If they don't have to deal with the murderous thugs that tend to populate drug cartels, and can grow something that ISN'T illegal, a lot of them would go for making an honest buck.

    I could show how this would work out economically using supply and demand if anybody really wishes.



    Should it surprise anyone that Castro and Chavez are full of ?

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    Anyone remember in the 70's when the US tried to break away from mid-east oil and go to the most efficient powersource devised by man so far? Otherwise known as nuclear energy


    And there were a bunch of dumbasses who railed against it...I think they called themselves the no-nukes crowd...and now 30 years later we are still in basically the same place?


    Yeah...it's like that. It really is.


    If anyone call tell me what boutons stands for, other than endless ing...feel free to do so.

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    BioDiesel - Nope
    Nuclear Energy - Nope
    Oil - Nope


    Why don't you guys that feel this way(boutons) stop using energy...give up your car, get off the internet, and shut the up.

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    Anyone remember in the 70's when the US tried to break away from mid-east oil and go to the most efficient powersource devised by man so far? Otherwise known as nuclear energy


    And there were a bunch of dumbasses who railed against it...I think they called themselves the no-nukes crowd...and now 30 years later we are still in basically the same place?


    Yeah...it's like that. It really is.


    If anyone call tell me what boutons stands for, other than endless ing...feel free to do so.
    If nuclear power is so efficient, then why has no nuclear plant ever been built without massive government subsidies? (this is true for every country with nuclear power plants)

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