Nadar to the rescue?
Independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader, who lost by about 335,000 votes in New Hampshire, has asked the state for a recount.
Washington PostNo, the longtime consumer advocate is not hoping to change last week's outcome in the Granite State, where Democrat John F. Kerry was the winner. Rather, he said, he is concerned about the veracity of the results.
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"We have received reports of irregularities in the vote reported on the AccuVote Diebold Machines in comparison to exit polls and trends in voting in New Hampshire," Nader wrote Secretary of State William M. Gardner. "These irregularities favor President George W. Bush by 5% to 15% over what was expected."
New Hampshire uses Diebold machines at 132 polling places. Gardner's office received Nader's fax at 4:59 p.m. Friday, one minute before the deadline. Under state law, if a candidate requesting a recount finished more than three percentage points behind, he must pay for the process. Gardner said that if the Nader campaign sends a check for $2,000 and promises to pay any additional charges, he will round up the ballots and initiate a hand count.
This is just a first step towards Ohio and Florida. NH had one of the highest discrepancies between the outcome and the exit polls (~15%) so fraud there is highly likely. It is also small enough to do a hand recount quickly and cheaply. If we can prove fraud in NH, then that calls into question every other state that greatly differed from the exit polls.
Ohio and Florida are going to have recounts initiated by citizens (if the candidates won't do it). See http://www.helpamericarecount.org / to donate money.
Hey, I actually met Kerry Von Erick once. Didn't know he had a wooden foot.
Tragic family.
It's been shown pretty clearly that the exit polls were scued (sp?) toward Kerry... but don't let that get in the way of the conspiracy theories... carry on.
We all know a random sampling of individuals trumps actual votes counted.
skewed.
Sorry, I have Nbadanallah on ignore and helping you with spelling is about all I can offer this thread.
Carry on...
Does it bother anybody that exit polls are the about the only way to verify electronic voting when there are no paper trails? I don't think much of exit polls either, but there is no other way to challenge fraud in this situation.
I don't expect fraud here. Many programmers are needed to set up these machines. I would think that you would have to have them all in the conspiracy. Possibly you might get a smaller number that would deliberately put in a back door, but you still need a few people to coordinate a nationwide (or Ohio-wide and Florida-wide) fraud.
I agree... A paper trail is essential. There has to be a verification system in place for the electronic machines in order to make sure no fraud took place, and (less importantly) to ease the minds of some of the voters. Right now, all we have are exit polls, which are less reliable than the machines themselves.
Voting fraud did not begin with electronic voting. Sure, it would seem to allow for fraud on a much greater scale. Frankly, I feel every voter should be given the choice to vote using the means they feel most comfortable with.
Questioning the machines is one thing, saying it was fraud is another. The fact that fraud is the assumption is just symptomatic of the Crats having alienated the middle.
And the exit polls are the easiest thing to fake.
You notice how none of the top level Crats are challenging the results? Because they know they were boosting those polls in the early going..and leaking the information illegally.
I met with a few of my friends last night who are members of politcal groups, and one of the things discussed was voter fraud.
The thing peole like NBADan fail to realize is that while there probably is fraud by the pro bush camp, there is also probably fraud by the pro kerry camp. BUSH WON. WHy can't you move on?
Even if there is fraud by both camps, the problem with electronic voting fraud is that is possible to add lots of votes in one instant electronically, while with paper ballots you have to do it one at a time. You can't expect fraud (or error) to balance out if that can happen.
Being the geek that I am... I like the electronic boards, but I have to admit, I would rather have a paper ballot still. I don't have any idea how easy it would be to rig a machine like that to commit fraud, but I would like to have a physical ballot that could actually be counted and recounted.
A view any logical person should arrive at. Kudos to Manny for telling it like it is.
I think that's one of the smarter observations I've seen Manny make.
Umm...there doesn't seem to be coordinated fraud by the Kerry campaign evident as there seems to be in the Bush camp. Not to mention that Liberal programmers working to crack Diebold's 'secret' code have found that their programming is done in a manner that was abandoned years ago because it was to easy to break into.I met with a few of my friends last night who are members of politcal groups, and one of the things discussed was voter fraud.
The thing peole like NBADan fail to realize is that while there probably is fraud by the pro bush camp, there is also probably fraud by the pro kerry camp. BUSH WON. WHy can't you move on?
Now why would a company hired with protecting vote-counts program their computers in a way that would make them easily susceptible to fraud, in a inferior programming language that hasn't been used in years. and that only requires one key to break into all Diebold machines?
A PHD Professor has done a paper examining Pre-election polls, exit polls, and the final outcome in swing states and came up with some startling conclusions...
To read more click here (adobe Acrobat Reader required)
Last edited by Nbadan; 11-12-2004 at 01:28 AM.
Voting equipment sure seems to hate democrats.....
Indiana StarBROOKVILLE, Ind. - Election equipment counted straight-party votes for Democratic candidates as Libertarian votes, an error that could affect election outcomes in as many as nine counties, the Richmond Palladium-Item reported today.
Democrats discovered the error in Franklin County, where ballots will be counted again tonight.
The county's election equipment vendor, Fidlar, notified officials Wednesday of the error.
Libertarian candidates received 7 to 8 percent of the votes in Franklin County, which is about 30 miles south of Richmond.
No, they're just trying to even the odds...
Cheaters just hate to be outcheated don't they?
This is so stupid. So a PhD prof. analyzed some exit poll. BFD. Those polls were early in the day, and did not reflect the impact of later voting, particularly the rush who hit after they got out of work.
Put it another way, it'd be like asking Spurs fans who they thought was going to win in the .4 game last year after Tim hit his shot, or asking people watching Ok. State - Texas last weekend who they thought was going to win at half.
Sure, it looked good (for the Spurs in the first, and the Cowboys in the latter), but there was still time left, and the final outcome proved to be different.
I guess the OSU fans should pe ion for a "recount" seeings the early "exit polls" didn't project the final outcome.
I'm sorry, I just can't put any stock in someone who gets their panties in a bunch over an exit poll.
Dan, if you're such a free thinker, you should be campaigning for exit polls to be done away with, not held up as some kind of end all be all indicator of the final vote talley.
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