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Didn't TMac score most of his points when Bowen was out of the game? I believe that is the case as was pointed out in a post yesterday by Kori.
Bowen does NOTHING on offense, but is this defensive specailist, but when he's letting people like Tmac, Lebron, Kobe, and every other all star, light him up he is making the Spurs play 4 on 5.
Bowen is becomming useless despite what everyone thinks and HE should be on the trading block as well as Barry and Beno
Didn't TMac score most of his points when Bowen was out of the game? I believe that is the case as was pointed out in a post yesterday by Kori.
It's about time somebody brought this up..
TMAC would have probably had 50+ if not for Bowen.
Do you really think Barry/Finley/Manu can guard TMAC better than Bowen?
I think timvp pointed out that TMac did most of his damage while Bowen was on the bench.
However, Bowen clearly is not what he was a couple of years ago.
Also, in the past, Bowen's defensive skills were made to shine a bit more because the defense of the rest of the team was at least competent.
Today, if Udrih, Finley, or Elson are on the floor, their defense is so bad it compromises the entire defensive scheme, no matter what Bowen does individually.
Did anybody else see the steal that Bowen had that almost won the game for us?
Bowen is a step slower than he used to be but he is still one of the great defenders in the league. Who can stop T-Mac when he's on fire anyways?
i am in no way defending bowen, but tracy hit some pretty tough shots the other night. you have to remember, when he's on there probably isn't a player alive that can stop him. he's as streaky as they come.
The point is without him, we would have Barry and Finley on him, then he could pull a Kobe against the Raptors last year. Maybe he isnt as good as he was, but he is the best we got and still one of the best in the league. Damn, Spur fans are turning on everyone
Look around to the other threads. Bowen actually did a reasonable job on TMac. If you watched the game, the 15 point swing from near the end of third to the middle of the fourth was with Bowen on the bench the whole time.
I couldn't understand how people can call themselves "basketball fans" when they can't tell the difference between bad defense and getting scored on.
I know, like all of the sudden Bowen cant play defense anymore, if anything its our team defense and rotations that at fault, not Bruce
Bowen should no longer be the starter getting starter minutes. He is just too big a liability on the offensive side to keep up with the top teams in the west who score.
He should only be used as a change of pace defensive disrupter. Problem is the spurs have never went out and got a good enough sf to be a starter. I wanted the spurs to make an offer to get Caron Butler since he entered the league.
He was traded twice and no word that the spurs even had any interest in trading for him. A good fo would have somehow found a way to land him or some other sf who would be worthy of starting by now instead of riding with Bowen for so long.
Bowen has lost a step. No doubt, but he still makes it hard for guys like that to drop all those points. He's always got a hand in their face and is always moving trying to annoy the guy he is on.
He is a liability on offense and has lost a step or two, but is still way better than Finley and Barry.
Completely disagree with you, Bowen has never been a great offensive player and now you want him out? The big 3 take up enough shots without Bowen needing to play big on that side of the ball. He is a outlet for double teams on Tim who can hit threes. A player like Caron is good, but would take away so many shots from our big 3. Plus he is no Bowen on d.
Every time TMac made a shot in that game when Bowen was in, he was up in TMacs everytime, hand in the face playing great d, their is only so much you can do against a great scorer.
Yep, team defense and rotations are the liability that needs some fixin' at this point.
my own opinion related to bruce and the offense isn't that he's lost a step, but that the offense has become stagnant and the ball rotations non-existent. he's a three-point threat and that's about it. now if you call him a liability, what do you call the other losers on the bench who would take his spot?
Offensive and defensive liabilitys
bruce can only be as effective as the defensive scheme is. when that breaks down, bruce looks bad. bruce is excellent at staying in between his man and the basket and contesting shots. but if he gets picked or blown by on d, there's not much he can do. and once a top scorer finds his rythm, there's not much you can do but wait for them to cool off.
i understand the call for a more offensive minded 3 because then the opposing team will have to play d rather than sag off bruce because the only weapon in his arsenal is a spot up j. but what is the trade off? we would have to revamp our defensive scheme to accomodate this...is it worth it? if we were getting c. magg, i would say yeah because even though he sucks on d, he's a capable rebounder. bruce is great on d, but sucks at rebounding.
And the fact that he can shoot the 3 effectively makes defenders not be able to sag off him that much, he does suck at rebounding though, our team overall except Dunc does not board very well
sag was a poor choice of words...since he's a one trick pony, it makes him easier to guard, if they even guard him. if the defense chooses to gamble, they'll leave bruce and play the percentages with the 3 ball. A more dymanic 3, who could hit the 3 ball and create off the dribble for the mid-range j or the layup would make the opposing work on d and no player could rest up on the defensive end.
bruce's attempts at creating off the dribble causes me heartburn when defenders close out on him at the 3 pt line.
Well said. In past seasons Bruce has had the luxury of the best help defense in the league. This allows him to get right up on a player and crowd him way more than your average defender would attempt. If the player made it past him it was no big deal. The help was always right there to make up for it. The help and rotations have not been tight this season and it ends up making Bruce look bad.
I think Bowen is a great defender still...however not 1 man can shut down a star player, and it's the teams responsiblility to shut down a hot player. The rotations are coming late and if Duncan forgets to contest shots, it's over. That's what I see. Bowen still plays with fire and always in the face of the Kobe's, Tmac's of the world. He just can't do it alone.
You guys are actually calling for more Finley and Barry?
I think thats what this thread is about, people that want more Finley and Barry dont want the Spurs to win I think
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