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Did the SPURS draft Barbosa and then trade his rights for a future draft pick?
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did the spurs already talk with phx and phx told the spurs to pick barbosa for them and they will give the spurs a future round pick?
i just want to know if the spurs scouting dept drafted barbosa or was it phx's.
thanks for the help.
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crap. ok thanks for the help
I remember that situation, I think was a previous agreement, but Barbosa would have been great he's really good.
Yeah, if we had drafted Barbosa to keep him, Beno would be playing in Israel or somewhere.
barbosa aint that good but all suns players get overrated and then once they leave the run and gun suns and go to other teams their true abilities come out.
The Spurs picked Barbosa #28 and immediately traded his rights to Phoenix for their 1st round pick in '04 or '05. The pick was Top 25 protected in '04 (and it was #7) and Top 21 protected thru '09. As Phx had the best record in the league in '05, we got that pick.
What is more important about the Barbosa pick, is that 1st round pick was used to sweeten the pot for the Nazr trade (Nazr/Brewer for Malik/Sun's 1st round/Our 1st round). Without this trade, we don't win the '05 Ring. Therefore one can argue that trading Barbosa led to a le.
FYI, those 2 picks were used on David Lee and Mardy Collins.
If you argue you wanted to keep those picks, the only players of note taken after Beno were Chris Duhon and Viktor Sanikidze. We traded our '05 2nd round pick to the Hawks or Sanikidze's rights, and it was the next to last pick in the draft (Cenk Akyol; Alex Acker was the last pick).
Yea, all the Suns players have inflated stats. But Barbosa is still a good player. Hes just not nearly as good as his stats would have you believe.
we heard this theory dozens of times.
(that the Barbosa trade was crucial for winning the 2005 le)
in fact, it's something we don't know.
first: we don't know, if it was just THIS pick, what persued Isiah to pull the trigger. some other trade baits might also have done the deal.
second: we would have had another player on our roster, who might have helped to win the les in 2004 or even more 2006, when Nazr was useless and we lacked exactly the speed and energy of a player like Barbosa in the back-court.
what I want to say: all thoses theories, how move A led to move B led to move C and resulted in whatever, are just little nice stories, that can be told this way or the other way. but that's it.
fact is, that the 2003 pick could have been used on Josh Howard, Barbosa, Zaza Pachulia, Mo Williams, James Jones, Kyle Korver.
fact is, that any of this players would look good in a Spurs uniform these days.
fact is, you shouldn't trade away your 1st rounder in one of the deepest drafts in history, for just a future 1st rounder.
so prove two things to me:
that the addition of Josh Howard would NOT have landed us the els in 2004, 2005, 2006 (and 2007)
(I'm just using the same logic, all thoses use, who argue that the Nazr trade won us the 2005 le)
that the Nazr trade 2005 wouldn't also have worked, if Spurs didn't add a late fist rounder as a teaser, but added one of the mentioned players, who the Spurs DID NOT draft 2003.
I dare to claim, that if the Spurs would have offered Isiah Malik + any of this players (who all had much higher trade value in 2005) for Nazr, HE would have thrown in the future 1st round pick. the first rounder, that turned into the no.2 pick 2006. and so on, and so on, and so on.
I don't know, if I understand you right, when you say players of note, but didn't you forget Trevor Ariza and Anderson Varejao. both would be exactly what we lack the last years. Varejao would be a better version of Elson (with much more upside for the future) and Ariza, well if you read the forum you will see him as one of the front runners when pople talk about players the Spurs should have somehow aquired.
btw. Sanikidze will never be a NBA player IMO.
I would have rather they simply drafted Josh Howard - DAMN FOOLS!
Or Luke Walton or Maurice Williams,
I don't have to really speculate as to what if... I know that Nazr became the defensive presence we needed inside to beat the Pistons. We had to throw in money and another pick to make the deal.
We needed another C to make it, not yet another PF. Varejao's big knock on him in the draft was he didn't play defense, so I doubt we would have drafted him. Even still, most people will tell you his defense is 'getting better.'
Trevor Ariza? Please.
Nazr and defensive presence in the same sentence...Yeah, his awesome defensive positioning and his infallible focus know no match...
Offensive rebounding? sure... but defense...
Please.
Look, mountainballer broke it down to you real nice... just try to follow his point through. I'm sure it's not as comforting as your rationalization, but it's nonetheless much closer to reality.
How quickly bangwagoneers forget.
Trevor Ariza was selected right after Sanikidze.the only players of note taken after Beno were Chris Duhon and Viktor Sanikidze.
Spurs won't take a chance on a rookie unless his last name ends with a vowel.
parkeR
And has at least three of the following consonants: p, q, z, k, y, v, j, w
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