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What a joke, stretch.
If the Suns are healthy in the playoffs, they'll be fine and will compete with anyone.
For having won no les, you Mavs fans have to be the most arrogant bunch of fans I've ever come in contact with.
have some serious issues. this proves again, that this team is NOT a good defensive team at all. they cannot shut down an oppoent with their defense. their only chance is by running the mess out of them and messing up their rhythem with their offense, not their defense. unless shots are falling for the Suns, teams will score at will. but if shots arent falling, they are in serious . they also cannot run a half court offense worth a . they dont have playmakers. this team is CLEARLY not championship material. they are good, but will NOT beat the Mavericks, Spurs, Rockets, Jazz, or Lakers in the playoffs. mark it.
What a joke, stretch.
If the Suns are healthy in the playoffs, they'll be fine and will compete with anyone.
For having won no les, you Mavs fans have to be the most arrogant bunch of fans I've ever come in contact with.
oh dont get me wrong, they can compete. there is no question about that. but they wont win anything. there is a BIG difference between being compe ive and winning. the Jazz will be compe ive, but they wont win a damn thing.
back to the Suns, they dont rebound the ball well, or play good defense. you HAVE to do those things to win in the playoffs. simple as that.
Suns are a good defensive team, but have stumbled over the past few weeks because they're missing 3 of their top 7 players.
Rebounding is their only weakness, but I'm sure they'll address it before the trade deadline. Don't you worry, stretch, the road to the Finals has plenty of roadblocks for your precious Mavericks.
if they suns do not have nash they suck
you are out of your mind.
If the Suns had to play an entire season without Nash, if they actually had a lot more time to adjust to his absence, I'm sure they'd still make the playoffs. But when you rely on one guy to do most of the playmaking and he goes down, and then the other guy you rely on for playmaking (Diaw) goes down, naturally you get a little out of sync.
if the suns had nash, they would have won. they lack playmakers aside from him.
well, to be honest, the first 3-4 lines of stretch's comments are true. nash's absence doesn't explain the defensive woes that the suns are having right now, nash wouldn't be able to help out on that end much...ray allen and collison are not being defended and amare is clearly frustrated even on the defensive end.What a joke, stretch.
If the Suns are healthy in the playoffs, they'll be fine and will compete with anyone.
For having won no les, you Mavs fans have to be the most arrogant bunch of fans I've ever come in contact with.
that said, suns will get back on and keep winning when nash and diaw come back, they're a good team but that stack of cards falls when nash is out. they were winning just fine without kurt thomas so he shouldn't be used as an excuse.
I guess we'll see.
Personally, I think you're out of your mind for making snap judgments about an injury-riddled team so far from the postseason.
the fact is, their defensive stats are not a result of their defense. its a result of their offense. there is no question as to how deadly their offense is. but if their shots arent falling, they CANNOT rely on their defense to get them back into a game. it CLEARLY shows in Nash's absence. they cannot stop anyone for . and you are again, crazy to make an excuse for their defense being bad, for 3 guys who dont play a lick of defense being out. we arent talking about their offense. its their DEFENSE. IT SUCKS.
no. ive said the same thing all season. i just now am saying that their absolute lack of defense REALLY shows now that their offensive producer is gone. they have shown that they rely on their offense to win games for them, and cannot win games with their defense and rebounding. ive said the same thing about them all season, and will continue to say the same thing now. i just think now, people that know anything about basketball, should see the truth about how poor their defense really is.
Boris Diaw averages more than 5 assists a game and he's not playing right now.
Ponky, the Suns defense has worsened ever since Kurt Thomas went out, just like it did when he went out last season too. KT is an important piece to our puzzle.
Stretch, what you don't seem to understand is that it's not cut-and-dry. Removing Steve Nash from the lineup affects the team on both ends of the floor, because the team performs better defensively when they're performing well offensively.
Look at the box scores...ever since Nash went out, they haven't really had a problem scoring, they've had a problem defending. That's not a coincidence. Put Nash back in the lineup and the Suns will suddenly perform much better defensively.
Stretch, you can make all the predictions you want, but they don't really mean compared to what actually happens.
Again, we'll see.
I'd love to continue this pointless argument, but I've got a belly to feed.
PROVING that they are NOT a good defensive team. if they have to rely on their offense to make them a better defensive team, then they are NOT a good defensive team. how hard is it to understand that. granted, better offenses do feed into the team playing better defense, but it only goes so far. this team has also shown they are not consistently capable of using their defense to fuel their offense on ty shooting nights, and getting back into games with defense. the fact is, they rely on their offense for everything, and history has shown that those kinds of team always fail in the playoffs.
Eh whatever, I'm not going to get into a long drawn out argument about it, I just disagree about certain aspects with regards to the Suns' offense. i do agree with you though, none of this really matters in the end, it just makes me happy for today...if Mavs lose tomorrow, I'll be pissed yet again!
you couldnt be more right. im just gunna stick with what history has proven, and not even THINK about putting my money on a team that relies solely on their offense to win games.Stretch, you can make all the predictions you want, but they don't really mean compared to what actually happens.
Again, we'll see.
I'd love to continue this pointless argument, but I've got a belly to feed.
at the same time, i think all of this proves that Steve Nash is the MVP. of course, i would love for Dirk to win it, but i dont think there is any question that Nash is the MVP. this team is very average without Nash. at least the Mavs have shown they are capable of playing good basketball when they are missing Dirk, and that they have playmakers and defensive abilities to win games without him, unlike the Suns.
Phoenix can play defense. They have quick feet and quick hands. Are they a great defensive team? No. Can they win with it? Yes. Can it win a championship with it? I think so.
However, i think that they're defensive intensity more than any other contender is directly related to their offense. If their offense isn't clicking, it greatly effects their defensive mindset. Such as Nash being out (along with Diaw, but i truly believe 90% of their offense is Nash), their offense isn't in sync and instead of holding the 2nd to last in the West Sonics down to their scoring level, they try to still outscore them, which they simply can't do without Nash in there.
Since when has Steve Nash equaled defense? Nash is one of my favorite players to watch, but the two teams he's played for weren't great defensively when they had him. When the Mavs had Nash (and I miss those days), they were all about offense (though Nelly played a part in that). Now that the Suns have him, they too are all about offensive production. Simply put, Nash serves as a binding force for offense, especially given the Suns' lineup.
We officially suck!!
eh, i dont agree with you one bit about their defense. there is a big difference between being able to get steals and blocks, and being able to shut down opponents. if i had to chose between the two, ill take shut down defense in a heartbeat.
they cannot shut opponents down with their defense.
For the second season in a row, Thomas has gone down and whatever defensive improvements that have been made have gone down with him. At one-point this season, the Suns had a better defensive FG% than the Mavs and were consistantly in the top-10, peaking at around 6th. No longer... I have no idea why they no longer care. I have observations, but they sound more like excuses, so I won't entertain the thought...
well, his offensive abilities help cause opponents offenses to get off track, which in turn makes their defense look better than it is. its hard to hit your shots when your opponent hits 3 after 3 after 3. its very distracting, and thus causes teams with little mental stability to break down, and miss a lot of shots. but teams that know how to deal with such things mentally, such as San Antonio and Dallas, can beat such kinds of "defense", if thats what they want to call it.
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