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    Retired Ray xrayzebra's Avatar
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    An E-letter from Kay Granger, Congresswoman from the
    12th District of Texas. Don't you just love the dimm-o-craps,
    you know the one's who hold the cons ution so dear and
    so faithfully follow it. But I am sure all the yellow dog
    dimm-o-craps on this board see nothing wrong with allowing
    these people vote.



    Last month, legislation came to the floor that I, along with many of my Republican colleagues, believe is uncons utional. Unfortunately, with the support of the new Democratic majority, the bill passed.

    The bill gives Delegates representing U.S. territories -- such as American Samoa, Guam and the Virgin Islands -- the right to vote on amendments on the House floor. Unlike you and me, the residents of these territories do not pay federal income taxes. Yet these Delegates can now vote with their Democratic leadership to raise federal income taxes on the rest of us!

    The populations of each U.S. Congressional district are roughly the same size in order to protect the Cons utional principle of "one person, one vote." The current population of the 12th District is about 652,000 residents. American Samoa has only 57,000 residents, the Virgin Islands, 108,000 residents, and Guam, 155,000 residents. The plan to give the 57,000 residents of American Samoa the same voice in Congress as the 652,000 residents of the 12th District of Texas is unfair to you.

    Under the new Democratic plan, the representatives of these tiny territories can now vote on the House floor and potentially cancel out my vote as your representative. That means they will be able to vote on amendments concerning healthcare, immigration and national security, all vitally important issues to residents of the states.

    If the residents of American Samoa, Guam and the Virgin Islands want their Delegates to have a vote in Congress, they should enter through the front door of statehood, or support a cons utional amendment to change the cons ution. Granting delegate voting rights is a back-door move by the Democratic leadership to increase their majority voting margins.

    I will be working to make sure that your voice continues to be heard in Congress, and will keep you informed on developments regarding this issue.



    Sincerely,

    Kay Granger

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    You're right; never read it.

    How strange.

    Thank you.

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    Plenty of people who do pay federal taxes in the U.S. don't have the right to vote.

    Who exactly cares about enfranchising residents of American territories, other than the party who they don't vote for?

    Oops.

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    An E-letter from Kay Granger, Congresswoman from the
    12th District of Texas.

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    Under the new Democratic plan, the representatives of these tiny territories can now vote on the House floor and potentially cancel out my vote as your representative. That means they will be able to vote on amendments concerning healthcare, immigration and national security, all vitally important issues to residents of the states.
    Someone should tell her it's a symbolic vote. If their vote would have changed the result, they won't be counted.

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    Someone should tell her it's a symbolic vote. If their vote would have changed the result, they won't be counted.
    That's right, symbolism over substance; the Democratic credo.

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    That's right, symbolism over substance; the Democratic credo.

    2 words for the GOP

    freedom fries

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    I don't really care... Yonivore's Avatar
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    2 words for the GOP

    freedom fries
    That was done in legislation? Wow! I didn't know...you're right, if Republicans passed legislation that advocated changing the name of French Fries to Freedom Fries, that's pretty stupid.

    But, it didn't happen that way, did it?

    No, you have the Democrats in Congress passing symbolic legislation that undermines the war effort and now, tries to "symbolically" dilute the votes of real American citizens.

    No, the Democrats are the true symbolism over substance party.

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    Retired Ray xrayzebra's Avatar
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    2 words for the GOP

    freedom fries
    Did you read this in our press. Thought not. Seems our
    MSM never reports all the news, just the good dimm-o-crap
    news. You know resolutions to oppose the Iraq war or
    maybe "flash back time" Jane Fonda opposing the Iraq
    war. Well all you dimm-o-craps, when you get the funding
    stopped for supporting the troops you say you support,
    their blood will be on your hands. Oh, yeah, you support
    the troops, the our enemies troops.

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    Did you read this in our press. Thought not. Seems our
    MSM never reports all the news, just the good dimm-o-crap
    news. You know resolutions to oppose the Iraq war or
    maybe "flash back time" Jane Fonda opposing the Iraq
    war. Well all you dimm-o-craps, when you get the funding
    stopped for supporting the troops you say you support,
    their blood will be on your hands. Oh, yeah, you support
    the troops, the our enemies troops.

    Ok Ray you your kind supports the troops by putting them in harms way for nothing. Your kind supports unecessary wars but,but,but you support the troops.. blood on our hands? The GOP is drenched in GI blood..Ray, Bush started this war and it's his repsonsibility..

    Think now RAy..if Bush has changed tactics we could assume the previous plan was not working.. so who is repsonsible for the blood spilled because of the bad plan? Let me guess the MSM? CLintons? democrats?


    Wow another straw man argument from Ray..the MSM.. I am hopeful one day one Bushbot will define and explain who this MSM is.. From what I gather it's any en y that dares to report anything bad about Bush or the GOP.. I notice the talking heads who blame the MSM never address the story..just who is reporting it..

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    Alleged Michigander ChumpDumper's Avatar
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    Seems our
    MSM never reports all the news, just the good dimm-o-crap
    news.
    I haven't seen this story on Fox.

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    I don't really care... Yonivore's Avatar
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    I haven't seen this story on Fox.
    I seem to recall it being reported by Fox News.

    I did find this on their website, Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace did an interview with Newt Gingrich in which it came up.

    There were other links to stories about it on the FoxNews Website. Some aggregated from other sources and some Fox News original. I can't say if it was reported in their news broadcast.

    Seriously, do you even watch Fox News, Master Baiter?

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    Sure I do.

    Not on Sundays though.

    Guess it's not that big of a deal if the story didn't have legs.

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    I don't really care... Yonivore's Avatar
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    Sure I do.

    Not on Sundays though.

    Guess it's not that big of a deal if the story didn't have legs.
    Name a story, critical of Democrats, that has gotten legs in the last 6 years. Just because FoxNews doesn't pull a TANG or a Scooter on things that, were they done by Republicans, the rest of the MSM would, doesn't meant they're not important stories.

    So, you only give weight to issues that grow legs in the mainstream media?

    Good to know.

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    No, dip , I'm more likely to see a story on the MSM that have legs. If it's mentioned in passing on one show while I'm asleep, I'm not likely to see it.

    You are one stupid mother er.
    Name a story, critical of Democrats, that has gotten legs in the last 6 years.
    That stuff that Insight magazine made up about Obama's terrorist upbringing got alot of play.

    Good job!

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    You're not enjoying the rift between Hilary and Obama that fox is salivating over? You must be! Doesn't it take your mind off the flag draped caskets coming home? How could you take your eyes off the "Best military campaign of all time"?

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    You're not enjoying the rift between Hilary and Obama that fox is salivating over? You must be! Doesn't it take your mind off the flag draped caskets coming home? How could you take your eyes off the "Best military campaign of all time"?
    Oh please, it's not even leading the news -- after only a couple of days.

    You Democrats really have no idea what a true, negative media blitz is all about. In fact, the last time it came close, there were more stories attacking Kenneth Starr than there were negative about Billy Boy.

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    No, dip , I'm more likely to see a story on the MSM that have legs. If it's mentioned in passing on one show while I'm asleep, I'm not likely to see it.
    You seriously believe that?

    Plame -- should never have had legs.

    You're more likely to see stories the MSM wants to have legs, get legs in the mainstream media.

    You're the stupid mother er, Master Baiter.

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    Oh please, it's not even leading the news -- after only a couple of days.
    So you only care about stories that lead the news in the MSM.

    Good to know.[/Yonithink]

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    You seriously believe that?

    Plame -- should never have had legs.
    You're the stupid mother er who thinks perjury is a capital offense and still argue that years later. Hypocrite.
    You're more likely to see stories the MSM wants to have legs, get legs in the mainstream media.
    So write FoxNews for not running this topic's story as their lead.

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    If fox were fair and balanced, they would take a little time to discuss why Bill O'Rielly is defending child rapist and abductors. They wouldn't even discuss his sexual harrassment of co-workers.

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    No, dip , I'm more likely to see a story on the MSM that have legs. If it's mentioned in passing on one show while I'm asleep, I'm not likely to see it.

    You are one stupid mother er.That stuff that Insight magazine made up about Obama's terrorist upbringing got alot of play.

    Good job!
    Nice to see a Mod with a expanded vocabulary

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    If you can't slam with the best then jam with the rest sabar's Avatar
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    No, the Democrats are the true symbolism over substance party.
    Hmm, they both are.

    On 11 March 2003, Representatives Robert W. Ney (R - Ohio) and Walter B. Jones, Jr. (R - North Carolina) declared that all references to French fries and French toast on the menus of the restaurants and snack bars run by the House of Representatives would be removed. House cafeterias were ordered to rename French fries as "freedom fries". This action was carried out without a congressional vote, under the authority of Congressman Ney's position as Chairman of the Committee on House Administration, which oversees restaurant operations in the house.

    According to a statement released by Ney, this move was a symbolic effort to express displeasure with France's "continued refusal to stand with their U.S. allies". The statement further read: "This action today is a small, but symbolic, effort to show the strong displeasure many on Capitol Hill have with our so-called ally, France."

    This sentiment was communicated through the Internet, chain e-mails, and frequent references on 24-hour news coverage from stations like CNN and Fox News.

    The French embassy made no comment, except to point out that French fries come from Belgium.

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    Hmm, they both are.
    Again, no legislation. Thanks for playing.

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    So, what's the huge deal with delegates from unincorporated territories of the United States being able to cast limited votes in the Committee of the Whole? Does it really matter? If "non-voting" delegates cast votes that turn out to be decisive, the Committee votes again without the delegates. It's just a little game Democrats like to play because the territories tend to have Democrat delegates.

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    If it's uncons utional, prove it in federal court. Simple.

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