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    Greenspan Says Recession Is a Possibility By End of Year
    Slow Growth, Budget Deficit Worry Analysts
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    Tuesday, February 27, 2007; D03

    HONG KONG, Feb. 26
    -- Former Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan warned Monday that the U.S. economy might slip into recession by year's end.

    He said that the economy has been expanding since 2001 and that there are signs the current economic cycle is coming to an end.

    "When you get this far away from a recession, invariably forces build up for the next recession, and indeed we are beginning to see that sign," Greenspan said via satellite at the VeryGC Global Business Insights 2007 Conference.

    "For example in the U.S., profit margins . . . have begun to stabilize, which is an early sign we are in the later stages of a cycle," he said.

    "While, yes, it is possible we can get a recession in the latter months of 2007, most forecasters are not making that judgment and indeed are projecting forward into 2008 . . . with some slowdown," he said.

    Greenspan said that while it would be "very precarious" to try to forecast that far into the future, he could not rule out the possibility of a recession late this year.

    The economy grew at a 3.5 percent rate in the fourth quarter of 2006, up from a 2 percent rate in the third quarter.

    A survey released Monday by the National Association for Business Economics showed that experts predict economic growth of 2.7 percent this year, the slowest rate since a 1.6 percent rise in 2002.

    Greenspan also warned that the budget deficit, which fell to $247.7 billion for 2006, the lowest in four years, remains a concern.

    "The American budget deficit is clearly a very significant concern for all of us that are trying to evaluate both the American economy's immediate future and that of the rest of the world," he said.

    Greenspan also said he has seen no economic spillover effects from the slowdown in the housing market.

    "We are now well into the contraction period, and so far we have not had any major, significant spillover effects on the American economy from the contraction in housing," he said.

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    I can see the Drudge headline now: Democratic Congress Recession!!

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    Bernanke Lies. Lies. Lies.

    "Overall, the economy appears likely to continue to expand at a moderate pace over the coming quarters. As the inventory of unsold new homes is worked off, the drag from residential investment should wane. Consumer spending appears solid, and business investment seems likely to post moderate gains," he said.

    "At this juncture, the impact on the broader economy and financial markets of the problems in the sub-prime market seems likely to be contained."
    There are millions of foreclosures still to come, what we've seen is just the tip of the iceburg, and it's a big iceberg. We'll see how well the financial markets 'contain' the problems.

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    ...will this guy just shut-up. he was horrible as Fed Chairman and now he feels the need to still voice his opinion.

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    Not so American dreamish....

    Sheriff Leo McGuire presides over foreclosure auctions in Bergen County, New Jersey, where the bidding for a home reached $1.2 million last June -- a record for one of the wealthiest counties in the nation.

    Homes sold on the auction block for as much as $852,000 this month -- more than quadruple the median home price in the United States. County officials believe they are close to setting another record soon.

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    Her clients, while predominantly poor and minorities, increasingly are neither. Nowadays, homeowners holding professional careers with six-figure salaries regularly drop by her office. More and more they come from upscale Michigan communities such as Independence and Clarkston -- once the summer retreat for Henry Ford, founder of Ford Motor Co.

    "Because of the financing that was possible, so many people bought the bigger house, the million-dollar house with the bowling alley or the tennis court outside," says Guzek, who works for GreenPath Debt Solutions, a nonprofit service based in Farmington Hills, Michigan. "People across all income brackets are having financial hardship."
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    Nothing to see here folks, move along....

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    Not so American dreamish....



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    Nothing to see here folks, move along....


    How many times must I say this to you Dan, it's not the ing governments fault that people bought into ADJUSTABLE mortgages and purchased homes they couldn't afford.

    ADJUSTABLE mortages are just like they say, ADJUSTABLE. They don't ADJUST down, they ADJUST up.

    This is just a guess, but I'm betting that 90% of the foreclosures are because people spent beyond their means and wouldn't have ever been able to afford the houses they bought had they went in on a traditional fixed mortgage.

    Why do you continue to blame the government for this?

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    Why do you continue to blame the government for this?
    Give Dan some time. He needs to find an article to give you an answer.

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    Give Dan some time. He needs to find an article to give you an answer.



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    How many times must I say this to you Dan, it's not the ing governments fault that people bought into ADJUSTABLE mortgages and purchased homes they couldn't afford.

    ADJUSTABLE mortages are just like they say, ADJUSTABLE. They don't ADJUST down, they ADJUST up.

    This is just a guess, but I'm betting that 90% of the foreclosures are because people spent beyond their means and wouldn't have ever been able to afford the houses they bought had they went in on a traditional fixed mortgage.

    Why do you continue to blame the government for this?
    Credit doesn't exist in a bubble. There is a finite amount of credit available in the market. When governments, like the U.S., the largest consumer of credit in the free world, over-extend their credit to do things such as finance unnecessary wars, that removes credit from the market that can be used for other purposes, like investment in the free market system to keep rates reasonably low here in the U.S.. So the U.S. government is very responsible for the increasing interest rates that are driving people's ARMs up as foreign lenders want a larger return to take our devalueing money. This is also why gas prices are going up, despite this being the off-driving season and although the M$M is blaming the crisis between Britian and Iran.

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    Besides, you can't blame people for falling for the come-on advertisments by some of these predatory lenders, and you certainly can't fault them for wanting to be a part of the American dream of home ownership. Fact is, in many states home prices are so high that the only way a family can afford a home was with a low-rate ARM.

    Still, I don't expect you or any other conservative to have any apathy for the millions of former home-owners who will now become indentured servants to creditors, thanks to the new bankruptcy laws written by lawyers working for creditors and rubber-stamped by the do-nothing Republican legislature.

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    Besides, you can't blame people for falling for the come-on advertisments by some of these predatory lenders, and you certainly can't fault them for wanting to be a part of the American dream of home ownership. Fact is, in many states home prices are so high that the only way a family can afford a home was with a low-rate ARM.

    Still, I don't expect you or any other conservative to have any apathy for the millions of former home-owners who will now become indentured servants to creditors, thanks to the new bankruptcy laws written by lawyers working for creditors and rubber-stamped by the do-nothing Republican legislature.

    I like how you throw in the new bankruptcy laws in there. My God, people expect to be paid back now? How dare they not allow citizens to just default on their loans.

    DON'T LIVE BEYOND YOUR MEANS.

    And again, I do blame the people for falling for the predatory lenders sell, it's their own fault for not doing their homework. Their are plenty of apartments out their that are far cheaper then being in debt your entire life.

    Sorry Dan, it's not the governments fault that people are lazy and expect too much without doing anything to earn it.

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    Come on John. We all know EVERYTHING is GW's fault.

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    Besides, you can't blame people for falling for the come-on advertisments by some of these predatory lenders, and you certainly can't fault them for wanting to be a part of the American dream of home ownership. Fact is, in many states home prices are so high that the only way a family can afford a home was with a low-rate ARM.

    Still, I don't expect you or any other conservative to have any apathy for the millions of former home-owners who will now become indentured servants to creditors, thanks to the new bankruptcy laws written by lawyers working for creditors and rubber-stamped by the do-nothing Republican legislature.

    Oh Goodness No! It isn't the peoples fault who got in
    over their heads. It is those damn come-on advertisements.
    And the mean old Government who borrows all that
    money. For goodness sakes people should never be
    held responsible for their own actions, right dan?

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    By the way, who should we thank for the fact that the interest rates got to a point as low as they did in the first place?

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    The subprime mortgage implosion will take even more steam out of the already slowing real estate market this year and beyond, according to a new economic report.

    More than two dozen subprime lenders have shut down in recent months and others are scrambling to stay in business as a e in defaults caused by borrowers unable to make payments has rocked the mortgage industry.

    Now, as lenders tighten credit standards, the housing market will likely see further declines in price and output, senior economist David Shulman wrote in the quarterly Anderson Report to be released Monday by the University of California, Los Angeles.

    “We suspect the problem in the subprime area is just the tip of the iceberg for the mortgage market as a whole,” Shulman wrote. “For all practical purposes, the subprime market is in the process of shutting down.”
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    I smell multi-billion dollar sub-prime-lender bail-out that will make the S and L scandal bail-out pale in fiscal comparison.

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    By the way, who should we thank for the fact that the interest rates got to a point as low as they did in the first place?

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    By the way, who should we thank for the fact that the interest rates got to a point as low as they did in the first place?
    Mostly Clinton, for not starting any unnecessary wars, saving the cold war return, and working in a bi-partisanship way with the Republican legislature to pass welfare reform.

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    Clinton also paid down the national debt, saving 100s of $Bs of interest payments from going down toilet.

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    Mostly Clinton, for not starting any unnecessary wars, saving the cold war return, and working in a bi-partisanship way with the Republican legislature to pass welfare reform.

    Interest rates went down after 9/11, Enron, Worldcom, and every other corporate scandal. These were the rates that everyone jumped in at and got their ARMs. They were artificially low and were destined to go BACK UP TO HISTORICAL NORMS. People that didn't do their homework are paying the price.


    By the way, rates are currently at what they were at under Clinton.

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    John..John..John. When are you gonna get it through your thick skull? No matter what happens, if it's bad, Bush is responsible.

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    Interest rates went down after 9/11, Enron, Worldcom, and every other corporate scandal. These were the rates that everyone jumped in at and got their ARMs. They were artificially low and were destined to go BACK UP TO HISTORICAL NORMS. People that didn't do their homework are paying the price.


    By the way, rates are currently at what they were at under Clinton.
    Interest rates went down because the U.S. government, for the first time since Reagonomics mortagaged our Social Security to fight the 'evil empire', projected a budget surplus. This eased credit for other areas, like housing, plus Asian countries and the real future empires, the oil empires, were pumping in billions of dollars in loans on the U.S. market on very friendly terms.

    You really are gullible.

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    Interest rates went down because the U.S. government, for the first time since Reagonomics mortagaged our Social Security to fight the 'evil empire', projected a budget surplus. This eased credit for other areas, like housing, plus Asian countries and the real future empires, the oil empires, were pumping in billions of dollars in loans on the U.S. market on very friendly terms.

    You really are gullible.

    Sorry chief, the gullible ones are the one's that got in to an artificially low ARM and were too stupid or broke, or both to re-finance their loans before they ADJUSTED, WHICH THEY ALWAYS DO.

    Funny thing is, I bought two homes at low FIXED interest rates during this time span and guess how many I've lost over the past year due to an adjusting rate????????? NONE, BECAUSE I FINANCED AT A FIXED RATE OF WHICH I COULD AFFORD.

    You're losing your home aren't you jackass?

    I still find it funny though that interest rates are now at what they were at under the great Bill Clinton.

    It's also funny to me that the stock market dipping due to terrorism, and then corporate scandals coincided perfectly with the drop in interest rates. But I know Dan, it's all the President's fault.


    Tell your wife and kids they can come stay at one of my houses while Daddy tries to get back on his feet but still find time to fight the silent helicopters hovering over his community.

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    And if you're struggling this much now, wait until the Dem's raise the taxes in 2012. It'll make Clinton's tax hikes look like child's play.

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    Sorry chief, the gullible ones are the one's that got in to an artificially low ARM and were too stupid or broke, or both to re-finance their loans before they ADJUSTED, WHICH THEY ALWAYS DO.

    Funny thing is, I bought two homes at low FIXED interest rates during this time span and guess how many I've lost over the past year due to an adjusting rate????????? NONE, BECAUSE I FINANCED AT A FIXED RATE OF WHICH I COULD AFFORD.

    You're losing your home aren't you jackass?

    I still find it funny though that interest rates are now at what they were at under the great Bill Clinton.

    It's also funny to me that the stock market dipping due to terrorism, and then corporate scandals coincided perfectly with the drop in interest rates. But I know Dan, it's all the President's fault.


    Tell your wife and kids they can come stay at one of my houses while Daddy tries to get back on his feet but still find time to fight the silent helicopters hovering over his community.


    I've made thousands of dollars off of people's ignorance and if you would have been actually reading what I've been posting here, instead of fighting the certain inevitability, you would have too. In Texas, of course, your gonna finance with a 10-15-30 year fix because home prices are low to moderate there, but in high-price real estate markets, which you obviously know little about, ARMs are very popular because they make $350K and above home affordable, not only for investors but also for families.

    My concern isn't so much for real estate investors, an investment carries some risk, but for the millions of families who will get caught in this ARM trap with no-where to turn, but you, like most Wing-nuts, don't concern yourself with such matters because things are good for you.

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    Mostly Clinton, for not starting any unnecessary wars, saving the cold war return, and working in a bi-partisanship way with the Republican legislature to pass welfare reform.
    Clinton also paid down the national debt, saving 100s of $Bs of interest payments from going down toilet.
    Everything Clinton did is good. Everything W does is bad.

    We get it ing partisan morons.

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    Who's the fiscal conservative biatch?

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