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Nice work!
I think I near-arbitrarily projected the cap to be around $60 million that year, so anybody above GSW would really be off the market. There's a lot of signing to do between now and then, of course, so these figures won't all be so low.
It seems a lot of teams will have pretty significant cap space then.
In fact, the Spurs are only middle of the pack in terms of current projections, based on the HoopsHype numbers.
SOme of these will no doubt be altered by upcoming free agent and draft signings, but it looks like 2008 FA's will be guaranteed some very attractive options.
Teams and 2008-2009 Obligations:
New York $86.2 (although it drops to $41.2 the next year)
Denver $74.6
Phoenix $71.4#2 (these guys better plan on winning now)
Cleveland $62.3 another
Indiana $60.3
Minnesota $58.8 (assuming KG exercises player option)
Seattle $57.1
Golden State $55.5
Houston $54.3
Sacramento $53.6
Dallas $52.4
Utah $50.1
LA Clippers $49.5
LA Lakers $45.4
Washington $44.6
San Antonio $44.6
Miami $43.7
New Orleans $43.6
Portland $42.7
Memphis $41.2
New Jersey $40.7
Detroit $39.8
Boston $39.1
Toronto $39.1
Philadelphia $32.2
Milwaukee $31.9
Chicago $26.2
Atlanta $24.8
Orlando $18.4 (pretty sweet. Wanna get big bucks to play with Dwight?)
Charlotte $0.0 (Peter Holt is green with jealousy.)
Nice work!
I think I near-arbitrarily projected the cap to be around $60 million that year, so anybody above GSW would really be off the market. There's a lot of signing to do between now and then, of course, so these figures won't all be so low.
There is no 2008 Master Plan. Every year is our year, just as long the Spurs work hard for it.
difference will be, people want to play beside Tim, even a 31 or 32 year old Tim.
Where have I heard that before?
I'm not the world's biggest proponent of the 2008 plan, but only a few of those teams will still have any cap space come that offseason.
For example, Chicago only has a little committed to that year right now, but unless they want to gut their team, their payroll is going to skyrocket over the next 2 years as their rookie contracts start expiring.
not to mention a still spry Manu and a in his prime TP. Players will see that the important pieces are already in place and they can only bolster the lineup. That said, it is a long time till 2008.
Alot of these teams projected salaries are going to be going up, way up. Teams like Boston, Atlanta, New Orleans, Chicago, Portland etc. are going to be signing big names like, Gerald Green & Al Jefferson (Bos), Marvin Williams, Josh Smith & Josh Childress (Atl), Chris Paul (NO), Luol Deng & Ben Gordon (Chi), Martell Webster, Jarrett Jack & Travis Outlaw (Por). So these numbers will change signifigantly. The Spurs will probably have used their MLE, once or twice, but should still be far enough under the cap to make a run at a very nice player(s)
There actually is a 2008 Plan. Whether it's called that in the FO, that I doubt.
But if great big men on crappy/permanently mediocre teams like Kevin Garnett and Elton Brand are available all in the same summer and it doesn't create a major headache to create the space for them, by God you have to do it.
That's one reason I wasn't totally thrilled with Maggette. His player option year - which he would have taken - would have killed the entire plan flat, without his guarantee of actually even playing well for the team.
These following teams have young players that will most likely be granted extensions, thus taking away some of that anticipated cap space:
Dallas $52.4 - Devin Harris?
Miami $43.7 - Dorrell Wright?
Portland $42.7 - Jack, Webster?
Detroit $39.8 - Billups?
Boston $39.1 - West, Jefferson?
Milwaukee $31.9 - Villanueva, Bogut?
Chicago $26.2 - Deng, Gordon?
Atlanta $24.8 - Smith, Childress?
Orlando $18.4 - Howard, Nelson?
Charlotte $0.0 - Felton, Okafor?
I know not all of those players will be receiving extensions and that alot can change in 1 1/2 years, but that's an idea of some of the young players that will have to be taken into consideration when signings are made (much like the Tony Parker issue when the Spurs went after J-Kidd)...
It didn't work with a 26 year-old Tim, why would it be different when he's 32?
You can strike most of those teams off the list, anyway, since Garnett/Brand won't go from semi-losing situations to go to worse ones. Also, yes, I think Dallas will spend more money, Portland will have to go over (and budget for Roy, Aldridge in the future), and Chicago will have to pay those players, too.
I think Howard can negotiate an extension beginning this summer.....
There's a whole summer of free agents this summer who will take up space, as well, including a bunch of SFs like Vince Carter. If the Spurs spend the MLE, too, they'll be losing space.
Yeah I was thinking that the other day. The Spurs are going to have to spend the MLE this summer, I think, in order to improve for next season. But if they do that, then you are right - that cuts into the 2008 cap space.
What would ya'll think about Tony Allen? He's a great defender (played for Sutton) and scorer from the SG spot. Tony had a string of 14 games right up until he hurt his knee that he scored in double digits; only 3 of those games were under 16 and 7 of them were over 20 to include a 30 pt game where he was 11-13/2-2/2-2/8 rb/3 as/3 st/1 bl/2 to. Those were games played beside Pierce, Cz, West, Telfair, Gomes and Jefferson.
He only makes 1 mil this and 1.8 next. The Celts have a 20 year old Gerald Green developing, not to mention Wally Cz under contract until '09. They have 3 SG and 4 PG under contract to include development.
I understand he is no Manu, but look at his stats compared to Manu:
Manu
PPG 16.9
RPG 4.4
APG 3.4
SPG 1.56
BPG .37
FG% .468
FT% .861
3P% .402
MPG 27.8
TA
PPG 11.5
RPG 3.8
APG 1.7
SPG 1.48
BPG .36
FG% .514
FT% .784
3P% .242
MPG 24.4
Unless they can sign someone to a two-year deal, with the second year being team option...
Not sure how likely that is, but it could happen...
You're right, Dwight Howard will be thrilled when Tim opts out of his deal and signs with Orlando in order to vie for his fourth ring.
About Tony Allen, I love how he plays the game with intensity and aggressiveness. He's great when slashing to the basket and drawing contact. But, I would have concerns about bringing him on...
1. He's undersized for a SG and, unlike D Wade, isn't versatile enough to handle the point and distribute to others...he's a scorer.
2. He'll have to recover well from the knee surgeries and even then it would be tough to say that he can have all of his athleticism back. That hurts his stock because he relies on the first step and athleticism to create on offense.
I like the kid, but I don't know how much value he has coming off the knee surgery...
It's amazing to me that Chicago and Detroit are still so far under the cap, considering how good they are already.
Well they aren't really under the cap now. They will just be under the cap in the summer of 2008 because of a lot of contracts coming off the books, just like the Spurs.
The 08 plan is quite BS.
Spurs will have at best $12M in capspace (if they trade all theri first round picks, Mahinmi and renounce to all their FAs) with only 3 players.
I don't see how you can fill a roster with only $12M when you have to get 7 good players to have a 10 men rotation.
Don't forget too that Spurs ahve offered a 4 years contract to Pryzbilla this summer. I think more that the 08 plan was an excuse given to Elson and Butler agents because Spurs didn't want to give them a long term contract.
Chicago did well to get rid of their Baby Bulls without taking on alot of future cap space and getting legit prospects/draft picks in return. Imagine now with Crawford out in NY how the Knicks will tumble. Chicago still has the right to swap firsts w/ the Knicks in what will likely be the deepest draft in years. That's some good GMing. They might have overpaid for Wallace, but overall, the Bulls have made some great decisions....they should be in contention for several years...
Detriot is less impressive. Their big gem came in getting Billups while he was vastly underrated. They got one championship out of that group, but they had a real shot to make their team relevant for a decade if they handled the 2003 draft better. Taking Milicic was bad, but trading him away for Orlando's draft pick this year was worse. They could've had Melo, now they get? I still like the moves they've made, but the Milicic thing was a HUGE misstep.
Ahhh. Does Chicago still have a bunch of people signed under rookie contracts, too? Nocioni, Deng, and Gordon all come to mind. Are those guys locked up for them yet?
Detroit's gonna have to resign Chauncey pretty soon, too, and if they don't make a good shot at winning it all this year, he may walk.
Even with that, the Spurs may still have upwards of $10-12 million to fill out the roster. Not an entirely upsetting scenario. It seems a lot depends on Duncan's willingness to reduce his contract. Would he reduce it knowing Mr. Brand or Mr. Garnett may come? I don't think it works if they want the max, but if they want $10 million and there's enough to run at other players for the roster, it may work.
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