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    This sucks because I was hoping he was different. Though I don't agree with most of his politics, he came across as a decent man. What's most disappointing is that the story states, Obama became a leader in the effort to raise money to fight avain flu after becoming an substantial investor in a company that would directly benefit from such efforts.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/07/us...gewanted=print

    March 7, 2007

    In ’05 Investing, Obama Took Same Path as Donors

    By MIKE McINTIRE and CHRISTOPHER DREW
    Less than two months after ascending to the United States Senate, Barack Obama bought more than $50,000 worth of stock in two speculative companies whose major investors included some of his biggest political donors.

    One of the companies was a biotech concern that was starting to develop a drug to treat avian flu. In March 2005, two weeks after buying about $5,000 of its shares, Mr. Obama took the lead in a legislative push for more federal spending to battle the disease.

    The most recent financial disclosure form for Mr. Obama, an Illinois Democrat, also shows that he bought more than $50,000 in stock in a satellite communications business whose principal backers include four friends and donors who had raised more than $150,000 for his political committees.

    A spokesman for Mr. Obama, who is seeking his party’s presidential nomination in 2008, said yesterday that the senator did not know that he had invested in either company until fall 2005, when he learned of it and decided to sell the stocks. He sold them at a net loss of $13,000.

    The spokesman, Bill Burton, said Mr. Obama’s broker bought the stocks without consulting the senator, under the terms of a blind trust that was being set up for the senator at that time but was not finalized until several months after the investments were made.

    “He went about this process to avoid an actual or apparent conflict of interest, and he had no knowledge of the stocks he owned,” Mr. Burton said. “And when he realized that he didn’t have the level of blindness that he expected, he moved to terminate the trust.”

    Mr. Obama has made ethics a signature issue, and his quest for the presidency has benefited from the perception that he is unlike politicians who blend public and private interests. There is no evidence that any of his actions ended up benefiting either company during the roughly eight months that he owned the stocks.

    Even so, the stock purchases raise questions about how he could unwittingly come to invest in two relatively obscure companies, whose backers happen to include generous contributors to his political committees. Among those donors was Jared Abbruzzese, a New York businessman now at the center of an F.B.I. inquiry into public corruption in Albany, who had also contributed to Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, a group that sought to undermine John Kerry’s Democratic presidential campaign in 2004.

    Mr. Obama, who declined to be interviewed about the stock deals, has already had to contend with a controversy that arose out of his reliance on a major campaign contributor in Chicago to help him in a personal financial transaction. In that earlier case, he acknowledged last year that it had been a mistake to involve the contributor, a developer who has since been indicted in an unrelated political scandal, in deals related to the Obamas’ purchase of a home.

    Senate ethics rules do not prohibit lawmakers from owning stocks — even in companies that do business with the federal government or could benefit from legislation they advance — and indeed other members of Congress have investments in government contractors. The rules say only that lawmakers should not take legislative actions whose primary purpose is to benefit themselves.

    Mr. Obama’s sale of his shares in the two companies ended what appears to have been a brief foray into highly speculative investing that stood out amid an otherwise conservative portfolio of mutual funds and cash accounts, a review of his Senate disclosure statements shows. He earned $2,000 on the biotech company, AVI BioPharma, and lost $15,000 on the satellite communications concern, Skyterra, according to Mr. Burton of the Obama campaign.

    Mr. Burton said the trust was different from qualified blind trusts that other senators commonly used, because it was intended to allow him greater flexibility to address any accusations of conflicts that might arise from its assets. He said Mr. Obama had decided to sell the stocks after receiving a communication that made him concerned about how the trust was set up.

    The investments came at a time when Mr. Obama was enjoying sudden financial success, following his victory at the polls in November 2004. He had signed a $1.9 million book deal, and his ethics disclosure reports show that he received $1.2 million of book money in 2005.

    His wife, Mic e, a hospital vice president in Chicago, received a promotion that March, nearly tripling her salary to $317,000, and they bought a $1.6 million house in June. The house sat on a large property that was subdivided to make it more affordable, and one of Mr. Obama’s political donors bought the adjacent lot.

    The disclosure forms show that the Obamas also placed several hundred thousand dollars in a new private-client account at JPMorgan Chase, a bond fund and a checking account at a Chicago bank.

    But he put $50,000 to $100,000 into an account at UBS, which his aides say was recommended to him by a wealthy friend, George W. Haywood, who was also a major investor in both Skyterra and AVI BioPharma, public securities filings show.

    Mr. Haywood and his wife, Cheryl, have contributed close to $50,000 to Mr. Obama’s campaigns and to his political action committee, the Hopefund. Mr. Haywood declined to comment.

    Within two weeks of his purchase of the biotech stock that Feb. 22, Mr. Obama initiated what he has called “one of my top priorities since arriving in the Senate,” a push to increase federal financing to fight avian flu.

    Several dozen people had already died from the disease in Southeast Asia, and experts were warning that a worldwide pandemic could kill tens of millions of people. Mr. Obama was one of the first political leaders to call for more money to head off the danger, which he described as an urgent public health threat.

    His first step came on March 4, 2005, when the Senate Foreign Relations Committee approved his request for $25 million to help contain the disease in Asia; the full Senate later approved that measure. And in April 2005, he introduced a bill calling for more research on avian flu drugs and urging the government to increase its stockpiles of antiviral medicines.

    Mr. Obama repeated this call in a letter that Aug. 9 to Michael O. Levitt, the health and human services secretary. And in September 2005, Mr. Obama and Senator Tom Harkin, Democrat of Iowa, succeeded in amending another bill to provide $3.8 billion for battling the flu.

    Meanwhile, the drug company in which he invested, AVI BioPharma, had been working to develop its own medicine to treat avian flu victims. In a conference call with Wall Street analysts on March 8, 2005, the company’s chairman, Denis R. Burger, said the firm was “aggressively going forward” with its avian flu research and hoped to work with federal agencies on it.

    The company, which is also developing medicines in a number of other areas, provided several updates on its avian flu research in 2005, including one on Oct. 21 saying the company was likely to develop a treatment for avian flu “in a relatively short time.”

    Mr. Obama sold what appears to have been about 2,000 shares of the company’s stock a week later, when it traded at about $3.50 a share, or about $1 a share more than when he bought it. Company officials said they never talked to the senator about his work on avian flu. And while the company has received millions of dollars in federal money to develop drugs for treating ebola and other serious diseases, it still has not received any federal money for its avian flu research.

    The company’s stock briefly surged to nearly $9 a share in January 2006 when it announced promising research findings on the flu drug. But the company still has not applied for federal approvals to test and market the drug.

    Unlike his investment in AVI, which yielded a small profit, Mr. Obama’s stake in Skyterra Communications went in the opposite direction, despite a promising start.

    He bought his Skyterra shares the same day the Federal Communications Commission ruled in favor of the company’s effort to create a nationwide wireless network by combining satellites and land-based communications systems. Immediately after that morning ruling, Tejas Securities, a regional brokerage in Texas that handled investment banking for Skyterra, issued a research report speculating that Skyterra stock could triple in value.

    Tejas and people associated with it were major donors to Mr. Obama’s political committees, having raised more than $150,000 since 2004. The company’s chairman, John J. Gorman, has held fund-raisers for the senator in Austin, Tex., and arranged for him to use a private plane for several political events in 2005. Mr. Gorman declined to comment.

    In May 2005, Mr. Abbruzzese, who was vice chairman of Tejas and a principal investor in Skyterra, contributed $10,000 along with his wife to Mr. Obama’s political action committee — a departure from his almost exclusive support of Republicans. Eight months earlier, for instance, he had contributed $5,000 to the Swift Boat group, and he has given $100,000 to the Republican National Committee since 2004.

    Last year, Mr. Abbruzzese, a major investor in several high-tech companies in New York and elsewhere, emerged as a central figure in the federal investigation of the New York State Senate majority leader, Joseph L. Bruno. The inquiry is examining Mr. Bruno’s personal business dealings, including whether he accepted money from Mr. Abbruzzese in return for Senate approval of grants for one of Mr. Abbruzzese’s companies. Both men have denied any wrongdoing. Mr. Abbruzzese did not return phone calls seeking comment.

    Skyterra’s share price was lifted into the $40 range for a time on the strength of the F.C.C. ruling, but eventually drifted down into the low 30s, and was at $31 when Mr. Obama sold his shares for a $15,000 loss on Nov. 1, 2005. A few months later, it plunged into the $20 range, and today trades below $10 a share. A spokesman for Skyterra said the company’s top officials had not been aware of Mr. Obama’s investment.

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    So he took a loss, that makes him a rookie. So a contributor went from repub to democrat, just like millions of americans did in Nov. So a millionaire suggested he invest in a certain stock, big whoop.

    I guess when I suggested to friends, years ago, that they invest in Amer. Brands because of potential, that made me corrupt? The fact that a stock split ( making it Fortune and Gallaher ) doubled their investment somehow makes it shady?

    I know some guys in the WH connected to Haliburton and Enron.

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    This sucks because I was hoping he was different.
    Well, he's not.

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    Its hard to say whether he knew he had purchased the stock or not. Regardless, I'm glad to see that he did the right thing in selling it.

    But unlike most repubs, he didnt wait to be outed by the media before taking ameliorable action.

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    Reading comprehension is a struggle for some.

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    I guess when I suggested to friends, years ago, that they invest in Amer. Brands because of potential, that made me corrupt?
    Not at all, but your example is way different from that in the article. Here's where it would be similar, you owned Amer. Brands, you were a big contributor to your friends political campaign, your friend after investing in your company used his political influence to raise federal funds for your company.

    That's a huge ethics problem, but if you want to look the other way sobeit.

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    No, I understand what you're saying, but having taken a loss might suggest that he saw a conflict of interest and terminated his holdings, at a loss. He was his own vehicle to this financial hit. Nobody twisted his arm.

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    Doesn't that make sense to you, or is your brain that dumb that you can't even get that? pussyface's Avatar
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    ...not sure how anyone could be surprised by this.
    politicians mysteriously make lots of money during their time as "public servants." as a rule, they all leave richer than they came.

    why was he supposed to be different? because he is black?

    the guy is a politician for christ's sake...this sort of thing is why, to make a grand sweeping statement, government doesn't work.

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    No, I understand what you're saying, but having taken a loss might suggest that he saw a conflict of interest and terminated his holdings, at a loss. He was his own vehicle to this financial hit. Nobody twisted his arm.
    He thought the trust would create plausible deniability. If we wanted to investigate further, and I don't, we would have to find out if the story had already been leaked or who was asking questions before Obama sold.


    Nevertheless, it leaves him open to questioning his ethics. Will the media or the rebulicans find more? to be cont...

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    Dude creates a blind trust, lost $13,000 when he divested completely upon realizing the conflict, disclosed everything and we're supposed to be angry about it?

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    Dude creates a blind trust, lost $13,000 when he divested completely upon realizing the conflict, disclosed everything and we're supposed to be angry about it?
    Facts are wrong as usual.

    Here are the corrections:

    1. He never created the trust.

    2. The reason why he divested is still open to interpretation

    3. There still a lot more to disclose, but really it's not worth it unless there are more stories like this out there.

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    At least with your statement, " This sucks because I was hoping he'd be different" means you're unhappy with what we've been stuck with for over 6 years. The guys we have now are in neck deep with ties to oil. Now Bush is giving the full court press on clean coal. I doubt that is a surprise.

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    Facts are wrong as usual.

    Here are the corrections:

    1. He never created the trust.
    The spokesman, Bill Burton, said Mr. Obama’s broker bought the stocks without consulting the senator, under the terms of a blind trust that was being set up for the senator at that time but was not finalized until several months after the investments were made.

    “He went about this process to avoid an actual or apparent conflict of interest, and he had no knowledge of the stocks he owned,” Mr. Burton said. “And when he realized that he didn’t have the level of blindness that he expected, he moved to terminate the trust.”


    Created <> complete.
    2. The reason why he divested is still open to interpretation
    He wanted to lose money. It's obvious. That's what all investors do.
    3. There still a lot more to disclose, but really it's not worth it unless there are more stories like this out there.
    If it's not worth it, why is there so much to disclose?

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    So, 2cents is just taking shots at Obama? Not really interested in whether he is different?

    Some of those people I encouraged are politicians. You won't see any of them pushing for Gallaher on the hill. Maybe you should consider that some of them are quite different.

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    I don't think Obama is much different from other politicians.

    I also think this is much ado over nothing. Actually much ado over -13,0000.

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    He may not be that different, but I'd dump bush for him in a heartbeat. All we have to judge by is how he speaks and what he says, so he's already killing bush in the competence department.

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    The spokesman, Bill Burton, said Mr. Obama’s broker bought the stocks without consulting the senator, under the terms of a blind trust that was being set up for the senator at that time but was not finalized until several months after the investments were made.

    “He went about this process to avoid an actual or apparent conflict of interest, and he had no knowledge of the stocks he owned,” Mr. Burton said. “And when he realized that he didn’t have the level of blindness that he expected, he moved to terminate the trust.”
    He moved to create the trust after the investments were made. He's trying to insinuate he tried to set it up before the investments were made, but didn't finalize the paperwork unitl after. If that's the truth, he's accusing his broker of breaking a very serious rule, which is never mentioned. Also, could it be that some news orgainzation or political foe starting snooping so Obama scrambled to sell the stock.

    The -13,000 is so irrelevent but you have to be open minded to see it.


    Created <> complete.He wanted to lose money. It's obvious. That's what all investors do.If it's not worth it, why is there so much to disclose?
    maybe he wanted to save his political hide for the low cost of -13,000. Owning 2-3k shares of a speculative stock can make you millions, see Ebay, Dell etc... Especially when you have a political heavyweight lobbying for federal funds.



    Again, I like Obama because most of the interviews I've seen of him have been honest and civil.
    Last edited by 2centsworth; 03-07-2007 at 05:32 PM.

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    He moved to create the trust after the investments were made.
    The spokesman, Bill Burton, said Mr. Obama’s broker bought the stocks without consulting the senator, under the terms of a blind trust that was being set up for the senator at that time but was not finalized until several months after the investments were made.
    He's trying to insinuate he tried to set it up before the investments were made, but didn't finalize the paperwork unitl after. If that's the truth, he's accusing his broker of breaking a very serious rule, which is never mentioned.
    What rule?
    Also, could it be that some news orgainzation or political foe starting snooping so Obama scrambled to sell the stock.
    Which one? This is the first time it's come out. Shouldn't one of Yoni's blogs had it first?
    The -13,000 is so irrelevent but you have to be open minded to see it.
    Actually it's quite crucial to understanding how miniscule an issue this is.
    maybe he wanted to save his political hide for the low cost of -13,000.
    Maybe he found out that there was a conflict of interest and acted to change it. Really, do you actually believe that he thought he was getting away with something since all the stocks and contributions are reported regularly?
    Again, I like Obama because most of the interviews I've seen of him have been honest and civil.
    How do you know he's been honest?

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    The spokesman, Bill Burton, said Mr. Obama’s broker bought the stocks without consulting the senator...
    The broker broke the law if that's true. That's why I think he's trying to protect the Senator. Legally the broker could only purchase the stock with the express consent of mr. obama.

    Sounds like they are trying to back track and say a trust was going to be set-up, doesn't fly under NASD scruitny.

    What rule?
    Discretionary trading

    Which one? This is the first time it's come out.
    let's see if that's true. no way we have enough info to determine that.

    Actually it's quite crucial to understanding how miniscule an issue this is.
    you're trying to cloud the issue by focusing on this aspect. For instance, if I try to rob you but instead give you $20 upon discovering I'm going to be busted, does it matter that I gave you $20?

    Maybe he found out that there was a conflict of interest and acted to change it. Really, do you actually believe that he thought he was getting away with something since all the stocks and contributions are reported regularly?
    He did use the help of a large contributor to help him with personal financial problems in the past. Again, I don't think a full investigation is necessary unless other questionable items start popping up.


    How do you know he's been honest?
    In my opinion he's been intellectually honest.

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    The broker broke the law if that's true.
    Which law? What are the penalties?
    let's see if that's true. no way we have enough info to determine that.
    We don't heve enough information to determine this is the first time we've heard about it?
    you're trying to cloud the issue by focusing on this aspect. For instance, if I try to rob you but instead give you $20 upon discovering I'm going to be busted, does it matter that I gave you $20?
    Did Obama commit a crime? What exactly is your charge here?
    In my opinion he's been intellectually honest.
    In my opinion, he's been a politician like any other.

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    I'm not voting for Obama but this is just BS cir stantial crap trying to sensationalize something that every politician does.

    Newsflash...

    Politicians seek power, fame and wealth. All of them.

    You just try to separate the ones that know what the they are talking about from the ones that don't...you don't try to find the ones that aren't greedy and power hungry, for they do not exist.

    This is the equivalent of acting like Cheney trying to make money for Haliburton(as their CEO) is some kind of mortal sin.

    Lame.

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    Discrestionary trading without written consent. I'm not going to look up the code number. However, I will tell you if you open an account with a broker and he begins making stock trades without your express written consent he can get canned.

    What are the penalties?
    Monetary penalty, suspension, loss of license. An arbitration panel would decide.


    We don't heve enough information to determine this is the first time we've heard about it?
    first that we've heard about it, but maybe the NYT isn't the first thorn who's heard about it.

    Did Obama commit a crime?
    according to the article no. However, I now question his ethics.

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    Whottt is absolutely right.

    I have people that make investments without my consent, but mostly on my own.

    Never been accused of a crime.

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    This is the equivalent of acting like Cheney trying to make money for Haliburton(as their CEO) is some kind of mortal sin.
    if Cheney did go to war to make money, then the devil awaits.

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    However, I now question his ethics.




    He's a politician


    The last Presidential politician with ethics was George Washington.


    There are two kinds of politicians...

    Smartones(that are successful at achieving their goals) and Dumbones(who just kind of got lucky but there was no skill behind it). Those are the only 2 choices you ever truly have that have anything to do with ethics.

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