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yess he is!! that guy is awsome
I waswikipedia and there it states that taken overall the 57th pick, some commentators consider him the greatest draft steal in modern NBA history. Perhaps of all time.
Now I've never given it much thought. I know he's the biggest steal in Spurs history. What are your thoughts?
yess he is!! that guy is awsome
He may be the steal of all time. I think there have been some effective bench players drafted in that area, but can't remember any other All Stars. Arenas was an All Star and a second rounder, but he was picked somewhere in the 30s, IIRC.
Gilbert Arenas would also be considered as such. I don't know where he was picked in the 2nd, but I know for sure he was a 2nd round pick.
whoever is pickd in 2nd round or not drafted is considered a steal, and guys who are lottery picks who end up HOFs imo are not draft steals cause any other n team would draft the top prospect
i dunno, i think ben wallace is the biggest steal ever. now obviously manu is more skilled and has a better resume but wallace, as a defensive big, is more valuable, won a dpoy, started a couple all star games, and dude wasnt even drafted, not even with the 57th pick. dont think anybody saw that coming.
otoh the 96 draft was quite deep, but there were still plenty of stiffs taken ahead of him.
Rashard Lewis was a second rounder too. And wasnt John Starks undrafted?
Lewis went 32 I think. I remember watching him in high school (lived in Houston at the time), and the media hyped him so hard. I think the only reason he came out was because the Rockets assured him they would take him at 14, and instead, they took Michael erson at 14, Mirsad Turkan at like 17 or 18, and Bryce Drew in the 20s. Dumbasses.
did starks go to the allstar game
Arenas was picked at 31, two picks into the second round. Lewis was picked at 32. Not really close to 57 at all. In fact, those two picks are closer to the lottery in the other direction than they are to #57.
Manu >>>>>>>> Rashard Lewis
i question one of his DPOY awards, the year where he was suspended part of the pacer/pistons crowd brawl and ron artest missing the whole season, tim duncan got robbed that year. Seriously if you missed 10 games and can win dpoy, but ur not in the equation of mvp if your a candidate that misses 10 games....lame.
I like Ben Wallace, but there are years when they have to plug in PFs to the center spot at the ASG, because there are no good centers left. There are ALWAYS a bevy of great wing players to choose from.
Manu was a diamond in the rough when he was drafted. I read that the Spurs weren't even considering Manu as their first choice for their 57th pick that year. I heard it was another Argentine player.
The Spurs probably had no expectations of him, yet he helped to win 2 championships.
Willis Reed?
Ben Wallace went undrafted, so he was not biggest "draft" steals.
Michael Redd was a pretty incredible steal at #43 in 2000.
And, there were some other great late draft picks as well:
Steve Kerr, # 50 overall in 1988
Drazen Petrovic, #59 overall in 1986
Kurt Rambis, #58 overall in 1980
Bill Laimbeer, #65 overall in 1979
Michael Cooper, #58 overall in 1978
Manu might be the best steal, but there were some other great players that came very late in the draft.
Willis Reed was picked #10.
Brad Miller was also an undrafted All Star(and yes Manu is better than he is).
I'd say that since the draft was cut to 2 rounds Manu is the greatest steal...
Keep in mind though that in the era when the league was just a few teams, the NBA Draft used to be 20 rounds...there have probably been picks much later than the 2nd round to make the AS Game and perhaps even the HOF. But I can't say for certain...
What I can say is that Manu is definitely the steal in the 2 round era...
IIRC he was the second to last pick in the 99 draft...the fact that he's made an All Star Team, challenged for a finals MVP, and likely will be the 6thman of the year this year, makes him easily the steal of the modern era.
Gilbert Arenas is a stud, but I'd take Manu over him if I want to win...
I think there is a tendency to not look at what Manu is capable of on his own...because he's meshed into a team built around Duncan so well...but Manu is a franchise 2 guard and he's proven that in head to head play he can lead his team as well as Duncan.
Manu gets under-rated because of this, much like Drob did after he meshed his game around Duncan's...
Manu is definitely first round talent and arguably #1 overall pick talent in some recent drafts(like last years).
Man he was awesome
Willis Reed was picked #10.
btw - pretty quckly somebody checked it
Wasn't Michael Redd in the 40s?
redd and arenas are cornerstones to their franchises. manu is great, but he's the second or third best player on his team.
Manu was drafted 57th and the Spurs had no interest on letting him play. The next two years Manu was awesome in the Euroleague, and the Spurs thought him as ready. Our FA is lucky.
Manu could be a cornerstone for either of those franchises. Redd and
Arenas are good, don't get me wrong, but where, exactly, have they led their franchises? Milwaukee won't even make the playoffs. Washington will, but they probably go out in round 2.
All three are good players, but to me, what sets Manu apart is that he is about winning. He'll start or come off the bench. He'll take over a game, or sit back and feed the hot hand. Manu is a leader. He's a diamond of a SG in a chest full of NBA cubic zirconia stones.
Last edited by exstatic; 03-17-2007 at 01:28 PM.
Exactly.
Manu has said so many times that he doesn't give two s about his stats. Gilbert Arenas is the exact contradiction. I don't think there's ever been a player who has cared more about his stats than Arenas.
Redd is a great player as well, he is the cornerstone for the Bucks, but like exstatic said, what have the Bucks been doing the last few years?
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