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    Five Rings... Kori Ellis's Avatar
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    I was going to post this elsewhere, but think it sort of belongs here.

    Obviously, he said "shut the up, you " so he should have gotten in trouble.

    But my question is do you consider his comments about Jewish people "anti-semitic"? Is saying that jews are crafy or that they dominate business anti-semitic to you?


    Ex-NBA star's anti-Semitic slurs draw suspension

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    Former NBA All-Star Micheal Ray Richardson appeared to be getting his life back on track after his league suspension in 1986 for drug use. He was coaching in the Continental Basketball Association and had led his team, the Albany Patroons, to the playoffs. But as they say: What goes up, must come down.

    The Patroons have suspended Richardson for the rest of the CBA championship series for comments made to the Albany Times Union on Tuesday.

    Before Tuesdays game against the Yakima Sun Kings, Richardson made anti-Semitic comments to two reporters in his office when discussing the contract general manager Jim Coyne had offered him Monday to coach his team in the CBA and USBL.

    "I've got big-time lawyers," Richardson said, according to the Times Union. "I've got big-time Jew lawyers."

    When told by the reporters that the comment could be offensive to people because it plays to the stereotype that Jews are crafty and shrewd, he responded with, "Are you kidding me? They are. They've got the best security system in the world. Have you ever been to an airport in Tel Aviv? They're real crafty. Listen, they are hated all over the world, so they've got to be crafty."

    And he continued, "They got a lot of power in this world, you know what I mean?" he said. "Which I think is great. I don't think there's nothing wrong with it. If you look in most professional sports, they're run by Jewish people. If you look at a lot of most successful corporations and stuff, more businesses, they're run by Jewish. It's not a knock, but they are some crafty people."

    And the offensive remarks didn't stop there.

    According to the Times Union, Richardson told a fan who heckled him early in Tuesday's game, "Shut the [expletive] up." And near game's end, he shouted at another heckler, "Shut the [expletive] up, you [derogatory term for gay men],"

    Assistant Derrick Rowland will coach the Patroons for the reminder of the series. Richardson will not be allowed into the Washington Avenue Armory during practices or games.

    "It's terrible and I don't think it's fair," Richardson told the Times Union regarding the suspension. "But I want to make an apology if I offended anyone because that's not me."

    The Patroons released a statement apologizing for the coach's remarks.

    "The Albany Patroons' organization sincerely apologizes to any individuals or ethnic groups that these alleged statements may have offended," the statement read.

    The release also stated that the team and league "shall conduct a full and complete investigation as to the validity of these allegations. If these allegations are true, appropriate action will take place immediately."

    Richardson, the fourth overall pick in the 1978 draft, is best known for an embattled NBA career that ended because of drugs. He joined the NBA out of Montana and played eight seasons with the New York Knicks, Golden State Warriors and New Jersey Nets. He was the subject of a 2000 film "What Happened to Micheal Ray?" do enting his troubled life.

    In his second year, Richardson became only the second player in NBA to lead in both assists and steals. In 1986, the four-time NBA All-Star was banned for life after he violated the league's drug policy three times in what David Stern called "the hardest thing I've ever had to do as commissioner."

    Richardson began his comeback in 1988, joining the ranks of ex-NBA players in European leagues where he played for 14 years. His right to play in the NBA was restored that year but he stayed in Italy, where he was a leading scorer and fan favorite.

    Richardson failed two cocaine tests in 1991, though he disputed the results.

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    uups stups! Cant_Be_Faded's Avatar
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    transgression of the stereotype allows for some to fall very close to home, obviously not every jew is crafty, if you take it in that sense yes it is anti semetic, but statistics can only lie so long

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    Five Rings... Kori Ellis's Avatar
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    Is "crafty" something bad to say? I guess the connotation of crafty could be "sleazy" but I don't use it like that.

    If someone called me crafty, I'd take it as a compliment To me, crafty means clever.

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    uups stups! Cant_Be_Faded's Avatar
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    exactly
    only the connation would be implied as anti semetic, but shifting to 'wholes' and 'general trends' then the facts support his claim more than disprove it


    so not only is he being non-anti-semetic, he may be being truthful as well

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    hmm, i think its funny.

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    Alleged Michigander ChumpDumper's Avatar
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    I can understand the suspension for the outburst at the fan, but not for perpetuating positive Jewish stereotypes.

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    ROFL..

    It's not like he said that they were BAD at anything...

    Is it racist to say that Black People are good at basketball?

    I KNOW its racist to say that white people are good at anything... but for different reasons...

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    Ignorant, but not necessarily anti-Semitic.

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    Well his Jewish comments were all positive I think. He only
    stated facts, well maybe not about his lawyers, we shall see how
    crafty they are, if they can get him off. But the rest was true,
    not anti-semitic. IMO.

    About the sexual comment? Obviously he doesn't like
    people of that persuasion or the folks who suspended him think
    that being called one is v e r y bad. And should not be allowed.

    But who knows. All kinds of people take offense at all kinds of
    things now days.

    Only comment I would have about him, on the "gay" thing, if
    you are into sports, expect to be taunted and harassed. It is
    part of the game (well not in golf, in general, especially if you
    have a mafia bagman (caddy) like Tiger). But all other sports.

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    Ignorant, but not necessarily anti-Semitic.

    What he said.

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    Live by what you Speak. DarkReign's Avatar
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    Where did he defame Jews again?

    Maybe he slammed gay people (hehe...slammed), but the Jew comments were, if anything, positive.

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    Agreed with him in agreeing with ES

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    2nd Verse Same as the 1st Oh, Gee!!'s Avatar
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    from dictionary.com

    craft·y
    skillful in underhand or evil schemes; cunning; deceitful; sly.
    Skilled in or marked by underhandedness, deviousness, or deception

    not exactly compliments

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    "They got a lot of power in this world, you know what I mean?"

    An idea promoted by the likes of Hitler and white supremacy groups

    edit: and Mad Max

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    Stereotype-- of course.

    Anti-Semitic-- yes. To say that anyone has accomplished what he has by being crafty is not a compliment. It would be a compliment to say that he worked hard, was intelligent,...

    The fact that so many people in this thread have stated that his comments are factual kind of scares me.

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    Depends on your definition of crafty.

    Mine has no connotations of evil. I doubt Richardson's does either.

    Unclench.

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    Stereotype-- of course.

    Anti-Semitic-- yes. To say that anyone has accomplished what he has by being crafty is not a compliment. It would be a compliment to say that he worked hard, was intelligent,...

    The fact that so many people in this thread have stated that his comments are factual kind of scares me.

    I'd have to agree with you, crafty is not a compliment, it means you are cunning or deceiving. Just because people think they are saying the right thing does not mean they should the guy should have kept his mouth shut.

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    Alleged Michigander ChumpDumper's Avatar
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    So this is all about the word "crafty"?

    Give me a break.

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    clever

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    Esse quam videri ploto's Avatar
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    So this is all about the word "crafty"?
    No-- there are plenty of other inaccurate remarks in there.

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    The ignorance has been stipulated. Inaccurate <> condemning.

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    Five Rings... Kori Ellis's Avatar
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    Ploto and SW Texas fan, to you "crafty" might mean deceiving. But that's not the real or only definition. To me, if someone calls me crafty, I assume they mean it as clever, smart. If I call someone crafty, I usually mean that they are clever or smart enough to think of innovative ways to get something done. Crafty isn't necessarily a bad word.

    I know someone quoted Dictionary.com, but I go with Webster

    Webster.com

    1 : SKILLFUL, CLEVER
    2 a : adept in the use of subtlety and cunning b : marked by subtlety and guile <a crafty scheme>

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    Dictionary.com is run by Jews anyway.

    Crafty move.

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    Ploto and SW Texas fan, to you "crafty" might mean deceiving. But that's not the real or only definition. To me, if someone calls me crafty, I assume they mean it as clever, smart. If I call someone crafty, I usually mean that they are clever or smart enough to think of innovative ways to get something done. Crafty isn't necessarily a bad word.
    It isn't only about the connotation of the word, but even moreso the notion of labeling any entire group of people anything. And to claim that Jews run all the businesses, etc, to me is anti-Semitic.

    As to the word, it would be a "compliment" to say that Jews have succeeded due to their emphasis on education- which is again a stereotype but a completely positive one.

    I prefer the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language. Webster's name has lost some of its prestige ever since the copyright on the name ran out and anyody can use it now.

    crafty

    1. Skilled in or marked by underhandedness, deviousness, or deception.

    Not a compliment.

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    you're a dictionary snob too?

    Merriam-Webster isn't good enough for you?

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