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    Okay, all you cell phone users, are you going to stop
    using them. You may be ruining the planet with your
    cell phone use.

    Seriously, am I the only one that gets tired of "scientist"
    that keep telling us the sky is falling, we all going to die
    and that we are ruining the earth.


    I can not see how there wouldn't be a lot of "politics"
    involved both with the industry and population in trying
    to ban cell phone usage. It is one industries best revenue
    producers and they are very popular with the public.

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    Are mobile phones wiping out our bees?
    Scientists claim radiation from handsets are to blame for mysterious 'colony collapse' of bees
    By Geoffrey Lean and Harriet Shawcross
    Published: 15 April 2007

    It seems like the plot of a particularly far-fetched horror film. But some scientists suggest that our love of the mobile phone could cause massive food shortages, as the world's harvests fail.

    They are putting forward the theory that radiation given off by mobile phones and other hi-tech gadgets is a possible answer to one of the more bizarre mysteries ever to happen in the natural world - the abrupt disappearance of the bees that pollinate crops. Late last week, some bee-keepers claimed that the phenomenon - which started in the US, then spread to continental Europe - was beginning to hit Britain as well.

    The theory is that radiation from mobile phones interferes with bees' navigation systems, preventing the famously homeloving species from finding their way back to their hives. Improbable as it may seem, there is now evidence to back this up.

    Colony Collapse Disorder (CCD) occurs when a hive's inhabitants suddenly disappear, leaving only queens, eggs and a few immature workers, like so many apian Mary Celestes. The vanished bees are never found, but thought to die singly far from home. The parasites, wildlife and other bees that normally raid the honey and pollen left behind when a colony dies, refuse to go anywhere near the abandoned hives.

    The alarm was first sounded last autumn, but has now hit half of all American states. The West Coast is thought to have lost 60 per cent of its commercial bee population, with 70 per cent missing on the East Coast.

    CCD has since spread to Germany, Switzerland, Spain, Portugal, Italy and Greece. And last week John Chapple, one of London's biggest bee-keepers, announced that 23 of his 40 hives have been abruptly abandoned.

    Other apiarists have recorded losses in Scotland, Wales and north-west England, but the Department of the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs insisted: "There is absolutely no evidence of CCD in the UK."

    The implications of the spread are alarming. Most of the world's crops depend on pollination by bees. Albert Einstein once said that if the bees disappeared, "man would have only four years of life left".

    No one knows why it is happening. Theories involving mites, pesticides, global warming and GM crops have been proposed, but all have drawbacks.

    German research has long shown that bees' behaviour changes near power lines.

    Now a limited study at Landau University has found that bees refuse to return to their hives when mobile phones are placed nearby. Dr Jochen Kuhn, who carried it out, said this could provide a "hint" to a possible cause.

    Dr George Carlo, who headed a massive study by the US government and mobile phone industry of hazards from mobiles in the Nineties, said: "I am convinced the possibility is real."

    The case against handsets

    Evidence of dangers to people from mobile phones is increasing. But proof is still lacking, largely because many of the biggest perils, such as cancer, take decades to show up.

    Most research on cancer has so far proved inconclusive. But an official Finnish study found that people who used the phones for more than 10 years were 40 per cent more likely to get a brain tumour on the same side as they held the handset.

    Equally alarming, blue-chip Swedish research revealed that radiation from mobile phones killed off brain cells, suggesting that today's teenagers could go senile in the prime of their lives.

    Studies in India and the US have raised the possibility that men who use mobile phones heavily have reduced sperm counts. And, more prosaically, doctors have identified the condition of "text thumb", a form of RSI from constant texting.

    Professor Sir William Stewart, who has headed two official inquiries, warned that children under eight should not use mobiles and made a series of safety recommendations, largely ignored by ministers.

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    Equally alarming, blue-chip Swedish research revealed that radiation from mobile phones killed off brain cells, suggesting that today's teenagers could go senile in the prime of their lives.
    So that's the problem with today's youth!

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    Well the premise of the article is silly as bees navigate and communicate with pheromones which cell phone usage shouldn't affect. The entire thing has been discredited so far, it's just an article to sell news.

    On a side note the bee drop off is alarming. So far it looks like the most likely causes are an unknown pathogen or long-term effects starting to surface from genetically engineered crops.

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    The article cites one source, indicating that the experiment wasn't even done by entomologists and that a test sample of 4 hives was used. Statistically meaningless, not to mention the bee population started to plummet in 1971 and is plummeting in places with little to no electromagnetic radiation or the reverse -- for example, only 24 states in the U.S. have been struck by CCD while all 48 contiguous states have widespread cellphone use.

    Boo for shock media. There's a new article every day about how the world will end in 4 years if we don't do this or that.

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    And so we have to worry about:

    "On a side note the bee drop off is alarming. So far it looks like the most likely causes are an unknown pathogen or long-term effects starting to surface from genetically engineered crops."

    Thank you for that bit of information.

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    cell phones aside, this bee thing is very very scary.
    We don't agree often, but I'm with you on this one.


    Alien abduction of bees???

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    The dropoff in bees is primarily among those honeybees kept by beekeepers. Those bees are placed under a lot of stress as beekeepers move them around from place to place to pollinate fields.

    The quote attributed to Einstein about humanity dying off in four years if honeybees die off is BS. Most crops don't need bees to pollinate. Many of those that do don't need honeybees.

    This primarily is a problem for the beekeeping industry. Plus, ties to cell phones or GM crops are tenuous at best. There weren't any cell phones or GM crops 40 years ago, but there were periodic mysterious die-offs of honeybees.

    I'm with xray on this one.

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    The dropoff in bees is primarily among those honeybees kept by beekeepers. Those bees are placed under a lot of stress as beekeepers move them around from place to place to pollinate fields.

    The quote attributed to Einstein about humanity dying off in four years if honeybees die off is BS. Most crops don't need bees to pollinate. Many of those that do don't need honeybees.

    This primarily is a problem for the beekeeping industry. Plus, ties to cell phones or GM crops are tenuous at best. There weren't any cell phones or GM crops 40 years ago, but there were periodic mysterious die-offs of honeybees.

    I'm with xray on this one.
    Nevertheless the die off of bees.... as triggered by human factors or not is concerning.

    Many crops do require honeybees to produce prolifically. That adjective goes a long way in driving the market prices for several products... So while we may not "die off" as an extreme... Our cost of living will definitely go up due to future pricing of our groceries - that, or our eating habits will have to change.

    In certain parts of Mexico where paying beekeepers is out of the question; people polinate the crops themselves.... I guess more manual labor will be available for immigrants if this problem continues in the farmbelt of the U.S..

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    More likely cause of bee die-off and for once I agree with Travis, we should be concerned about what this will do to food prices and the effects of having to import an ever increasing amount of our food supply from who knows where, certainly not the FDA. The next Menu Foods incident could involve human food.

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