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I personally don't know of anyone who thought the Suns were underdogs. Most people I know had Suns in 5.
I was surprised to see this series be very compe ive last year following a stellar regular season by the Suns without Amare and the sustained mediocrity suggested by LA's feable win-loss record.
My question is this. Thinking back, who do you recall as being favored in this series? When PHX ultimately won, did you think
a.)'ok, that was expected the better team won out like we thought would happen'
or was it more like
b.) 'hey, that was pretty surprising. Like most people I expected the Lakers to advance even though they won way less games because hey they have Kobe and the Suns don't even have Amare this year so they look like one-and done.'
So help me out here... how did you percieve last years matchup?
I have a longstanding debate with a Suns Fan/Revisionist Historian.
any thoughts on this years series of course welcome as well, although I imagine we all agree that PHX has the edge in this one.
Last edited by pussyface; 04-19-2007 at 12:40 PM.
I personally don't know of anyone who thought the Suns were underdogs. Most people I know had Suns in 5.
Pretty much choice a.) but I thought it was over for the suns win the lakers were up 3-1. I knew the suns was going to win but I didn't they would win it in 7.
This series the suns will sweep the fakers and leave them in the dust.
The lakers team last year was better than this pathetic squad of today.
Kobe will put up tons of numbers but it won't be enough.
So suns in 4.
...i think this thread maybe isn't getting many replies because its so obvious and not controvercial at all that everyone expected the Suns to win last year as well (?)
last year after the suns got eliminated, that 'jmarkjohns' guy that a lot of people around her jerk off to got all caught up in some "suns are overacheivers this year" type of narrative and repeatedly claimed that them beating the Lakers without Amare last year was considered an upset and everyone looked at that matchup and said, 'hey two time mvp and 60 regular season wins be damned those guys have kobe bryant and an awful supporting cast, watch out.'
The distinguished spurstalk gentleman was so desperate to portray the Suns as the Little Sisters of the Poor that it was quite humorous.
When informed that the Suns were hefty favorites in the series according to Las Vegas oddsmakers, he responded that Vegas odds are not an indication of who can be considered favorite/underdog.
By the way, I am not making any of this for anyone out there in the contingent of 'jmarkjohn' fans that frequent these here parts.
Here it is, the series I've been waiting for. This is the best matchup for the Lakers and I know the smart Suns fans are worried as . Soft ass Suns are going down this year in the first round.
Lakeshow in 6
After Game 3 I had the Lakers winning it. But Bryant choked.
The Suns are better equipped to handle the Lakers this year. It was your team's frontcourt that gave us problems. This year, we're nowhere near as undersized. Lamar Odom might still give us problems, but there's no way Kwame Brown hurts us like he did last year, and Bynum is years away from being dangerous.
Kurt Thomas will frustrate Bynum, and Amare will put up more dunks than Brown, Bynum, Turiaf, and Odom combined.
On top of that, you have no one capable of stopping Steve Nash, no one capable of stopping Leandro Barbosa, and Phil Jackson won't be prepared for the return of Boris Diaw.
I remember last year a lot of people on the board had the Suns winning this one easilly. I specifically remember coming on here and saying, "phew, that was close" and getting into fights with people about the Suns having a lot of heart to come back from 3-1 down (let's not forget that Detroit also came back from 3-1 down against the Magic in the first round and then went on to win the le in '04).
Only a few people (Greg Anthony, maybe) had the Lakers possibly pulling an upset "if Kobe included his teammates." In fact, most had the Suns running away with this one after Game 1 last year. Then, a lot of fans started getting Laker fever after Game 3... until Bennett Salvatore put the Lakers up 3-1 and then people went back to Kobe hating. Then Raja Bell nearly lost the series again, but Leandro Barbosa saved them in Game 6. Game 7 was over in the 1st quarter, especially once Lamar Odom gave Leandro Barbosa a bloody lip with an elbow. , even Bill Walton called out his son Luke for that flagrant foul on Boris Diaw in Game 3... that pretty much describes how unpredictable the series was.
Not surprised that pussyface has such a poor memory...
I don't think that LAL've any chances against the Suns, so I don't think that it will be so interesting like last year.
PHX in 5 games.
don't underestimate those afro puffs i saw turiaf sporting last night!
im pretty sure you just agreed with me, captain dorko.
my side of the argument is that the Suns were favored over the Lakers last year.
jmarkjohns is the contrarian in this case.
The Orlando series was in 2003, when the Pistons were starting Michael Curry and Cliff Robinson.
Suns in 5
If the Suns can get Amare off instead of falling in love with the 3 point shot in their half court sets, they'll handle the Lakers with ease.
Bynum will hurt you guys this year. He may not be consistently dangerous this year, but he is still dangerous for an undersized team. We all know Amare can't guard his shadow and I don't see Thomas as being your savior. I still see the Lakers being able to go down low at will. Amare will get his, but he's gonna have to work for his points. It will not be as easy for him as you think. I see Kwame doing a great job on him defensively. And sorry there will be no return of Diaw. He's nowhere near the player he was last year. I doubt he will be a major factor in this series. As for Nash and Barbosa you are right. We have no answer for them. But you guys also have no answer for Kobe. I take the Phil/Kobe combo in the playoffs.
Lakers in 6
And this Ron is why nobody respects anything you say.
You're right... it was Bennett Salvatore AND David Stern... my bad, P&G... you win again!!
(Meanwhile, let me find the picture of Boris Diaw calling timeout and Luke Walton's foot being out of bounds as he grabs the ball...)
Wow Ron you really are a whiny . No wonder nobody gives a about anything you say.
Here I'll save you the trouble of looking for your picture.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cojRL...elated&search=
Here's the extended versions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnTj6...elated&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckeAl...elated&search=
And what makes this so classic is I don't hear you complaining at all about Kobe getting fouled at the end of Game 1. Could have very easily been a sweep. But of course it's a conspiracy against Ron and his beloved Suns.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDV4W...elated&search=
(Keep on eye on the 5:20 mark)
Funny thing is - Kobe is chasing the refs off the court in that game after he got fouled and then ing again in the locker room... Nash in the post-game press conference after Game 4 accepted all blame for the loss.Wow Ron you really are a whiny . No wonder nobody gives a about anything you say.
Here I'll save you the trouble of looking for your picture.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cojRL...elated&search=
Here's the extended versions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnTj6...elated&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckeAl...elated&search=
And what makes this so classic is I don't hear you complaining at all about Kobe getting fouled at the end of Game 1. Could have very easily been a sweep. But of course it's a conspiracy against Ron and his beloved Suns.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDV4W...elated&search=
(Keep on eye on the 5:20 mark)
Perhaps no one gives a what you say because your leadership example is Kobe Bryant and Phil Jackson... maybe you should have spliced some clips from inspirational movies into those YouTube vids and I would have actually watched them. Btw, I asked for a picture... which says a 1,000 more words than an ABC crew instructed to cover up the conspiracy... haha.
HaHa and now Ron goes into spin mode.
Do you even believe that ? You're either the worst poster ever or the greatest Suns troll on the internet.
Yes a snapshot picture is worth so much better than live video.
As for Phil not being a good leader, I guess 9 rings doesn't mean as much as it used to these days. I mean if you had the option of Phil Jackson and the great D'Antoni, you'd be a fool to ever think Phil is the better leader.And who cares if Kobes is not the leader you want him to be. He's an assassin with 3 Rings under his belt.
I also like how you conveniently forgot to talk about Game 1. But yet the world is out to get Ron and his beloved Suns.
I do remember many saying it would be a sweep by the Suns. So anyone favoring the Lakers was out of the question.
the suns.
A little fuzzy, but the best I could do in a pinch...
Thank you - none of those videos P&G supplied provided me with what I asked for... yet I'm the spin master... haha.A little fuzzy, but the best I could do in a pinch...
Also, can you answer me why he's so obsessed about Game 1? Does he forget this is the same Kobe that has taken out 3 players this year with swinging elbows to the face and he's complaining about a single foul? What you just provided is a black and white rules violation instead of some kind of judgment call.
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