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T-Mac should win it, no question in my mind
I've changed my mind. Thinking about it, it seems like every argument I've heard (or made) for Dirk being the MVP is actually an argument for Avery Johnson being Coach of the Year.
And at the same time I was arguing for Van Gundy being Coach of the Year, I realized that Tracy McGrady deserves equal, if not more, credit for leading the Rockets to home court in the first round (in the WEST) with Yao Ming missing half of the season.
Kobe got a lot of credit in the first half of the season for being a team player with the Lakers, but McGrady has had even less to work with. With Yao out, he's playing most of his minutes with the likes of Chuck Hayes, Shane Battier, Rafer Alston and Dikembe Mutumbo.
I think what McGrady has done has been criminally overlooked this year.
Dirk will probably win, and I don't think he's necessarily undeserving, but he strikes me as a classic example of the lazy "best player on the best team" pick, and I've always hated that.
So my picks are Avery for COTY and TMac for MVP.
T-Mac should win it, no question in my mind
That's still better than what Kobe had to work with.....still Tmac has done an admirable job this year.Chuck Hayes, Shane Battier, Rafer Alston and Dikembe Mutumbo
I dont know about that. A undrafted free agent, 40 plus year old center, and a ex-And 1 baller. Batteir is the only good one
Lmao. Kobe has Odom and Walton. That is better than those players mentioned for T-Mac. With Yao back though has made a world of difference. T-Mac though isn't the MVP but not far off. He's too streaky.
For one thing, it's not better than what Kobe had to work with, and for another thing Kobe's team barely made the Playoffs while TMac has home court.
The only thing I will say in Kobes defense is that he didnt have a caliber of player in Yao that Tracy had. But, also with that said, Yao missed over 30 games and T-Mac was still ballin enough to get his team over 50 wins
The lakers have lost more games due to injury by far than all other teams in the playoffs. Yao missed games for sure...but Walton, Kwame, Mihm, and Odom all missed over 20 games a piece. Not to mention bench contributors like Vlad Rad, Mo Evans, and Turiaf. Houston has a better team overall without Yao and with Yao.
The fact that you think all the players mean something to you shows that Lakers aren't that weak. If they were weak than those scrubs would hardly be missed. The Lakers are a good team when healthy. Better than the Rockets without Yao.
The Lakers aren't a lot better than the Rockets without Yao, but Odom is an all-star caliber SF and the Rockets have no one that even approaches that quality outside of T-mac. I'd take the Lakers in 7 over the Rocks minus Ming.
Last edited by Cry Havoc; 04-20-2007 at 01:52 PM.
A MVP candidate that averages 7 less points than kobe and less rebounds. He does hold an edge of 1 assist per game more. Plus he shoots 43% field 70% from the stripe and only plays in 35min per game. you're telling me that he should be put ahead Kobe. Please.
Yao>>>>Odom, Vlad, Brown, Walton
Bottom line is T-mac held a team together and got them top 50 wins while Kobe barely got his team 40 wins
Home court. Chuck Hayes. End of thread.
ask t-mac's back to try and be there for at least 7-8 of those 11 games he missed this season and i'll give him more credit (the other 2-3 were for personal reasons), nine losses in games in which he was out due to injuries. it's not like yao was out the entire season, he was out 34 games...rockets won 32 of those 52 games with yao in the lineup and another two games with t-mac not playing so can't give him credit for those...so he basically played without yao in 18 rocket wins this season. just because he beat the spurs without yao does not make him an mvp.
The 11 games missed are worth considering, but I don't think it's enough to penalize him.
The Mavs are a great team. Dirk is certainly their best player, but the heart and soul of that team is Avery.
Kobe may very well be a better player than TMac, but his team nearly missed the Playoffs.
I just think McGrady has the perfect balance of team success and his team's dependence on him.
What part don't you understand.....Kobe played in a season with a team that was injured.....and Tmac only won 10 more games than Kobe....you should be praising Kobe not Tmac, especially when his stats were nothing to write home about.
Kobe only won 10 more games than Portland.
Here's the figures I posted on another thread....look at the disparity between the lakers and houston....yes, TMac carried his team full of scrubs, while shooting 43% and only scoring 24pgs per game. What an awesome season indeed.Games Lost Due to Injuries - Top 6 Players In Minutes
1. Los Angeles Lakers - 178 Games; 42 Wins (including Chris Mihm. 82 Games)
2. Denver Nuggets - 135 Games; 45 Wins (including Kenyon Martin, 80 Games)
3. Miami Heat - 103 Games; 44 Wins (Not including Eddie Jones)
4. New Jersey Nets - 87 Games; 41 Wins
5. Golden State Warriors - 74 Games; 42 Wins
6. Toronto Raptors - 61 Games; 47 Wins
7. Detroit Pistons - 49 Games; 53 Wins (Not including Chris Webber)
8. Orlando Magic - 48 Games; 40 Wins
9. Houston Rockets - 47 Games; 52 Wins
10. Washington Wizards - 46 Games; 41 Wins
11. Dallas Mavericks - 41 Games; 67 Wins
12. Chicago Bulls - 40 Games; 49 Wins
13. Utah Jazz - 29 Games; 51 Wins
14. Phoenix Suns - 23 Games; 61 Wins
15. Cleveland Cavs - 22 Games; 50 Wins
16. San Antonio Spurs - 18 Games; 58 Wins
Games Lost Due to Injuries - Top 10 Players In Minutes
1. Los Angeles Lakers - 225 Games; 42 Wins
2. Denver Nuggets - 182 Games; 45 Wins
3. New Jersey Nets - 169 Games; 41 Wins
4. Miami Heat - 143 Games; 44 Wins
5. Washington Wizards - 135 Games; 41 Wins
6. Houston Rockets - 133 Games; 52 Wins (including Bonzi Wells, 54 Games)
7. Orlando Magic - 132 Games; 40 Wins
8. Detroit Pistons - 121 Games; 53 Wins
9. Dallas Mavericks - 110 Games; 67 Wins
10. Toronto Raptors - 98 Games; 50 Wins
11. Chicago Bulls - 96 Games; 49 Wins
12. Golden State Warriors - 88 Games; 42 Wins
13. Phoenix Suns - 82 Games; 61 Wins (not including Jalen Rose)
14. Cleveland Cavs - 81 Games; 50 Wins
15. Utah Jazz - 75 Games; 51 Wins
16. San Antonio Spurs - 55 Games; 58 Wins
yea dude, but almost half the Lakers games missed where because of Mihm, and that guys sucks balls. Take him away and they still have more but the difference isnt as huge
Mihm sucks balls eh...well he'd be our starter as he was last season. What does that tell you about Kwame and the kid....not as good as Mihm. Chris was playing very effectively in the tri last season prior to the injury. Also losing your second stringer to injuries (Kwame) hurt while playing 2 front court rooks heavy minutes in the West.
Dude Im not arguing that the injuries didnt decimate the Lakers, they did. They looked really good before everyone got hurt. All Im saying is that Yao is a bigger loss to a team that doesnt have the depth the Lakers have. When you have to start Juwan Howard and Mutumbo your team isnt very good, yet somehow they played well as a team. And I dont mean to bag on Chris, but Ive been watching him since I was living in Austin watching him suck for the Horns, and it just doesnt look like he will ever be a decent starting center. I love all things UT so it pains me to say that
Dirk deserves the MVP because he makes his teammates better and has led the mavs to a 67-14 record with only one more all star. Anyone ever wonder why Terry's FG% has gone way up since coming to Dallas? That's because he runs the pick & roll with Dirk and most times both defenders stay with dirk giving Terry an open pull up jumper. He has made Josh Howard better the same way too. You don't win 67 beacuse of luck people you win 67 by executing a game plan and having a clutch go to player that is Dirk Nowitzki. Without Dirk the Mavs would put a front line consisting of Croshere and Diop/Dampier do you all think that they would double croshere and leave Terry open? I don't think so. Now with that being said I think Avery Johnson should win the COY and Dirk should win the MVP.
Juwan and Mutumbo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Turiaf, cook, bynum
Rafer>>>>>>>Smush
Tmac>>>>>>
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