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Bonds needs 11 more to pass Aaron. Sosa needs 4 to get 600.
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Sosa homers tonight...
Sosa homers tonight! also....Craig Biggio is closing in on 3000 hits.
Barry Bonds home run ball will be worth about $3 million if he ever gets there. Should be in July. Leading the league in walks too.
Bonds closing in on 756 syringe scars.
people are already putting up millions for a ball that hasnt even been hit yet.
Sosa has 599!
...and Sosa hits #600!
I was at the game, I will post the pics later tonight.
Big Question: Is Sosa a hall of famer?
I just saw the broadcast of Sammy's shot.
I loved the next AB.
"How'd you like to be Frank Catalanatto following up all that?"
Catalanatto then goes yard.
I admit it, I didn't think Sosa would hit 12 HRs all year.
That said, his .750 OPS is still below average for an OF or a DH and that 68/18 K/BB ration is just scary.
Sosa hit into fielders choice, safe at first on error by Fontenot.
Soriano Taking Kameron Loe Deep
Kinsler pretending he knows how to play 2nd base.
Sammy about to jack #600
Congrats on #600 Sammy
I was there to, the first ranger game I have been to all year, and I didn't even know it was gonna possible happen lol. I sat in 328, perfect view. I wish the ball would of gone into the stands.
I heard they were using specially marked balls whenever he came up to bat, they had a yellow number or something on them so you couldn't fake it if you caught it.
Did you get one of those 600 posters? I wish it would of had a place for the ticket or something. I went down during the 7/8 inning and was able to get 7 of them(had 7 tickets). Man some people I saw were pissed because they didn't get one.
looks like you sat in the home run porch. nice. kam-loe was great last night.
I don't want to tear into Sammy's career (I do believe he is a hall-of-famer), but looking at the 600 HR club, I do get a strong feeling of "one of these names is not like the others"...
you wouldnt have said that in 2002
Not really.
Career OPS:
Aaron - .929
Bonds - 1.052
Mays - .941
Ruth - 1.164
Sosa - .879
Sammy has posted a .900+ OPS only 6 times in his entire career. Aaron did that 17 times, Mays did it 14, Ruth did it 17, and Bonds is doing it for the 18th time this year.
Sammy had a monster 4 year run along with 2 more great seasons. He also had a number of good, but not great, seasons where he was putting up solid HR numbers, but not being one of the best players in the game. He was never as consistently good for such an extended period as the other 4 players.
This is not necessarily a huge knock on sammy, he's still a HOFer in my opinion. But the other guys are easily 4 of the top 10 players of all time (depending on how you feel about bonds and steroids).
I don't think you can put Sammy in the top 25 (maybe much lower). He's got huge HR totals (in an era in which HRs have exploded for all players), but would anybody in their right mind put him among guys like Mantle or Frank Robinson or Ted Williams who hit less HRs?
Sammy Sosa is a Hall of Famer. There is no definitive proof about his alleged steroid involvement, so in the absence of hard evidence, his numbers are what we go by, and they are of Cooperstown quality. He has the fifth-most home runs in baseball history. From 1995 to 2004, Sosa hit 479 homers, the most at that time for any 10-year period in history. He holds the NL record with six consecutive seasons of at least 40 home runs; only Babe Ruth, with seven, has a longer streak. There have been eight 60-home run seasons in history, and Sosa has three of them. Sosa hit more homers at Wrigley Field than Babe Ruth hit at Yankee Stadium. For a few years, he was the Cubs. In 2001, he had 160 RBIs, 94 more RBIs than anyone on his team, demolishing the record for largest disparity in RBIs between a team leader and the runner-up. He got caught with a corked bat and was exposed at the end of his time in Chicago for not being a good teammate. But sometimes, the numbers overwhelm all else. And that is the case with Sosa.
Sammy Sosa is a Hall of Famer. Slam dunk. There is no smoking gun with him. There is just guilt by association. Just because he kept pace with Mark McGwire in home runs in 1998 doesn't mean he should be seen the same way as McGwire. Sosa made a statement in front of the House Committee on Government Reform in which he declared he had never used illegal performance-enhancing substances while McGwire did not. There are no former teammates pointing fingers at Sosa like there are at McGwire. He has never failed a drug test. In fact, consider that Sosa did get busted for corking a bat during his playing days. Why would a player on steroids cork his bat? He wouldn't. Sammy Sosa is one of the most charismatic players to ever play the game during his prime. He will most likely end up with the fifth-most career homers. He is a first-ballot Hall of Famer if there ever was one.Only four players in baseball history have hit more home runs than Sammy Sosa, and he will finish his career ranked in the top 20 in RBIs. Of the six greatest single-season performances in home runs, Sosa has three. He's been an All-Star seven times, and ranked in the top 10 in MVP voting in seven different seasons, including 1998, when he won the award. Unless we have anything close to a full understanding and context of the steroid era, I have a very hard time effectively giving Sammy Sosa -- or any other player -- my own personal lifetime ban by refusing to place his name on a Hall of Fame ballot. I will vote for him.
After the strike baseball was dead, Sosa and McGwire brought people back and filled seats. Sosa helped save baseball forever.
Too much has been made of that. A few years earlier, Ripken was credited with saving the game. Fans had been coming back in large totals before the HR chase.
As for your quotes, I've agreed in every post that he is a hall-of-famer, so not sure what you're trying to convince me. He's also compiled some huge numbers in select categories and put together one of the monster 4 year runs that the game has ever seen. There is no disputing that.
But he's not one of the best handful of players of all-time, that's all I'm saying. The other guys in the 600 club are.
If guys like Thome and Sheffield challenge that number in the next 3-4 years, are you going to put them in the same class as Aaron, Mays, and Ruth as well? , Palmeiro hit 569 HRs and I don't think anybody had him as a top 75 players of all-time, even before the positive steroid test.
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