Thoughts on Nash

[Kevin Blackistone]

After thinking about it a bit, I am now pretty convinced that deep down Nash wishes that he played for the Spurs and especially Pop. Nash is a warrior and as true of a compe or as there is in the game, and yet he is surrounded by whiny paper champions. In sports the team does take the personality of the head coach, and the Suns have the softest coach in the NBA. When the hits the fan you know Nash is gonna be in the fight, but his coach and fellow star player are not. Hypothetically, do you think Nash would be a good fit on a team like the Spurs, or does he need that run and gun offense to be really effective?

[kps0001]

can the heads get any bigger over here?

Jeez...yes you have a good team and a good coach. Does that make everyone else wish they could come play for you? Get over yourselves!!! You could have just posed the question of Steve Nash being a good fit with the style the Spurs play.


....and what determines one being a "soft" coach exactly?



To answer the question though; I think Nash would be great in any system you put him into. Would Timmy just fall to if he played anywhere else but the Spurs? Doubtful.

[spursfaninla]

I guess its possible nash would be good for the spurs, but would he be the player he is today? NO. Parker is a better fit for the spurs than nash, and he proved it when he spanked him last game. Parker held him essentially scoreless the first half of the game (along with great help defense).

I don't know if he has good "d" in him...pop would probably not play him much because he has to be hidden on the defensive side so much.

If we had 5 scorers on the floor, instead of 4 and bowen, nash would suddenly look like the 1 way player he really is.

[timvp]

Nash would struggle to average to average eight assists a game on the Spurs in their current offense. He's someone that is best with players around him who are high fliers that can finish. Who on the Spurs fits that mold?

Nash on the Spurs would be a waste of Nash's playmaking abilities. Nash is a great player but wouldn't flourish in an offense that runs through Tim Duncan.

Plus Pop would have a conniption the first time Nash let someone drive around him.

Bad pairing.

[DarrinS]

Nash would struggle to average to average eight assists a game on the Spurs in their current offense. He's someone that is best with players around him who are high fliers that can finish. Who on the Spurs fits that mold?

Nash on the Spurs would be a waste of Nash's playmaking abilities. Nash is a great player but wouldn't flourish in an offense that runs through Tim Duncan.

Plus Pop would have a conniption the first time Nash let someone drive around him.

Bad pairing.

He would've been great with Robinson and Elliot.

[degenerate_gambler]

i dont know about that....


SA doesn't exactly have a stellar record in attracting free agents.

[timvp]

He would've been great with Robinson and Elliot.

Robinson and Nash together would have been disgusting. Robinson would have averaged 30+ and would have erased any of the perceived shortcomings in Nash's defense, and Nash would have average 12+ assists.

[/pipedream]

[Kevin Blackistone]

can the heads get any bigger over here?

Jeez...yes you have a good team and a good coach. Does that make everyone else wish they could come play for you? Get over yourselves!!! You could have just posed the question of Steve Nash being a good fit with the style the Spurs play.


....and what determines one being a "soft" coach exactly?



To answer the question though; I think Nash would be great in any system you put him into. Would Timmy just fall to if he played anywhere else but the Spurs? Doubtful.

Maybe it was a bad way to say it, but I believe Nash is frustrated with his coach and fellow star player's constant whining and ing to the media. In terms of personality and at ude, Nash no doubt is a winner, but his coach isn't. What makes a soft coach? Looking for whiny ass excuses for losing instead of realizing that 's not going to be fair most of the time, but you have to win in spite. When in life is anything fair? It's not, and sports are no different. To be a champion you have to win with adversity, and D'Antoni isn't mentally or emotionally tough enough to do that. That weakness projects on the players, especially those who are young and inexperienced. That's why Stoudemire has found it necessary to and make excuses while a true gamer like Nash is left virtually standing alone while his teammates and coach are mentally wilting around him.

[Obstructed_View]

Nash is in the perfect system for him. He wouldn't be putting up these numbers or being in the MVP discussion on any other team.

[Kevin Blackistone]

Nash is in the perfect system for him. He wouldn't be putting up these numbers or being in the MVP discussion on any other team.

That's obviously true, but at this point in his career are MVP's and accolades worth more than winning a Championship? To someone like Nash, I wouldn't think that's the case.

[hater]

nash is overrated.

[CosmicCowboy]

Maybe it was a bad way to say it, but I believe Nash is frustrated with his coach and fellow star player's constant whining and ing to the media. In terms of personality and at ude, Nash no doubt is a winner, but his coach isn't. What makes a soft coach? Looking for whiny ass excuses for losing instead of realizing that 's not going to be fair most of the time, but you have to win in spite. When in life is anything fair? It's not, and sports are no different. To be a champion you have to win with adversity, and D'Antoni isn't mentally or emotionally tough enough to do that. That weakness projects on the players, especially those who are young and inexperienced. That's why Stoudemire has found it necessary to and make excuses while a true gamer like Nash is left virtually standing alone while his teammates and coach are mentally wilting around him.

I think it's a little premature to call the Suns "wilting".

D'Antoni has done a good good rebuilding that Suns franchise. Nash is a perfect fit for his system and I think he's happy to be there. No way would he have won 2 MVP's playing in the SA system or even Dallas's for that matter..

I think you are reading WAY too much into the coaching/player situation there.

[Kevin Blackistone]

I think it's a little premature to call the Suns "wilting".

D'Antoni has done a good good rebuilding that Suns franchise. Nash is a perfect fit for his system and I think he's happy to be there. No way would he have won 2 MVP's playing in the SA system or even Dallas's for that matter..

I think you are reading WAY too much into the coaching/player situation there.

Being the regular season paper champion for several years and getting your s knocked into the dirt in the playoffs every time has to at least start making the Suns and Nash wonder if their way of playing basketball just isn't tough enough to win a Championship. You can see the evidence in D'Antoni and Nash right now. D'Antoni is whining like a girl about EVERYTHING, and Nash looked as despondent as I've seen him after game 3. It has to be entering their minds, and if the Spurs win tonight the doubt will be cemented in their minds. All whining and crying is a cry of frustration because you fear you can't cut it. D'Antoni and Stoudemire fear they can't cut it and Nash is left witnessing all of this. He won't say it, but he has to be questioning both of their resolves at this point. His quote about Stoudemire after game 3 gives an inkling of his thoughts on this matter.

[picnroll]

Nash seems like a real intellignet guy. He'd probably enjoy talking to Duncan on the plane a uva lot more than trying to make conversation with Amare.

[jmard5]

Someone once said that two towers won't work in the NBA; that a Duncan would not fit playing beside a David Robinson...

[101A]

Nash has been ousted from the playoffs by Duncan's Spurs FOUR (five if the Spurs consumate this one) times in his career; I don't think any other player has been knocked out as many times by Duncan.

He might be tempted by the "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em" mentality, but I doubt it; he's impressed the out of me, and I can't imagine a system which he would thrive in more.

[CosmicCowboy]

Being the regular season paper champion for several years and getting your s knocked into the dirt in the playoffs every time has to at least start making the Suns and Nash wonder if their way of playing basketball just isn't tough enough to win a Championship. You can see the evidence in D'Antoni and Nash right now. D'Antoni is whining like a girl about EVERYTHING, and Nash looked as despondent as I've seen him after game 3. It has to be entering their minds, and if the Spurs win tonight the doubt will be cemented in their minds. All whining and crying is a cry of frustration because you fear you can't cut it. D'Antoni and Stoudemire fear they can't cut it and Nash is left witnessing all of this. He won't say it, but he has to be questioning both of their resolves at this point. His quote about Stoudemire after game 3 gives an inkling of his thoughts on this matter.

Phoenix advanced further in the playoff last year that the SPURS did and THEY were missing their star power forward.

I don't get your hate for tha Suns franchise and coach...I think D'Antoni has done a good job drafting, trading, finding talent, and assembling a very compe ive team on a budget...Suns are as fiscally conservative as the Spurs...

[mabber]

I guess its possible nash would be good for the spurs, but would he be the player he is today? NO. Parker is a better fit for the spurs than nash, and he proved it when he spanked him last game. Parker held him essentially scoreless the first half of the game (along with great help defense).

I don't know if he has good "d" in him...pop would probably not play him much because he has to be hidden on the defensive side so much.

If we had 5 scorers on the floor, instead of 4 and bowen, nash would suddenly look like the 1 way player he really is.

[picnroll]

Nash would be great with Duncan, anybody that thinks differently is nuts. He breaks down the defense and he is deadly from everywhere on the floor.

[timvp]

I think it's a little premature to call the Suns "wilting".

The Suns win tonight and they have full control of the series.

[mabber]

Nash would be great with Duncan, anybody that thinks differently is nuts. He breaks down the defense and he is deadly from everywhere on the floor.

I agree although I don't think he'd be winning any MVP's in San Antonio.

[Kevin Blackistone]

The Suns win tonight and they have full control of the series.

So going on a full scale cry fest and blaming everyone but yourselves for getting beaten in 2 games is not mentally wilting? All this coming from a head coach is not mentally wilting? I'm not saying the Suns are out of the series, but the mouths of the head coach and star forward are certainly portraying two individuals who are mentally beaten.

[NASHville]

Steve is very happy with the Suns. MVP happy even.

[Kevin Blackistone]

Phoenix advanced further in the playoff last year that the SPURS did and THEY were missing their star power forward.

I don't get your hate for tha Suns franchise and coach...I think D'Antoni has done a good job drafting, trading, finding talent, and assembling a very compe ive team on a budget...Suns are as fiscally conservative as the Spurs...

I don't have any hate for the Suns franchise or for D'Antoni, but I am a firm believer in keeping your mouth shut and busting your ass to win. I am a firm believer that crying, complaining, and blaming your shortcomings and faults on others is a losing at ude and mentality. Everything D'Antoni and Stoudemire have done in this series project weakness and a losing mentality, and just about everything Nash has done has projected an at ude of winning and being mentally tough. Imagine what Nash could do if he was surrounded by mentally tough winners...

[Kevin Blackistone]

Steve is very happy with the Suns. MVP happy even.

If he's the winner I think he is, MVP's are not enough to quench anything. At his level, Championships are all that matter, and D'Antoni + Stoudemire's whiny, constantly complaining nature is a hinderance to winning Championships.