the rest of this series. That was so cheap what he did. I'm rooting for the spurs to win so we can see a rematch of pistons and spurs in the finasl, but what Robert Horry did was so cheap. He should be gone for the series.
Why? A flagrant 2 in this fashion warrants a one game suspension. That's the rule, why should feelings one way or the other change that? You people just don't get the reason laws and rules are put in place, and the rammifications of not holding stead fast to those limits.
He can get suspended a game for the foul and suspended another game (or more) for his behavior after the foul. There's no hard fast rule that makes him get 1 game only.
That being said, I think he'll get only 1 game.
Do you believe that Amare and Diaw should be suspended as well? If so, do you think it will happen? Just curious...
Horry is a . I've never liked him.
I don't want them to be suspended because I want the Spurs to have to step up and beat a full strength Phoenix team.
I think Diaw will get suspended. I'm not sure what the league will do with Stoudemire because the Suns are going to claim he was on the way to the scorer's table to check in, etc.
Horry will get a min of 2 games watch and see. If you suspend Diaw you have to suspend Amare they both were next to eachother when the foul happened.
I think if Horry had helped Nash up by extending a hand after the hard foul it would've all been ok, much like Nash did for Parker when they collided. Horry's just never really been that kind of guy though.
I think he'll get 2, one for each violation.
and amare (and diaw) is gonna get one, but i'm not hoping for it. But the guy IS incredibly dumb...i mean seriously...his stupidity deserves it.
I don't like Horry right now either. It pisses me off that he stooped to the level of cheap shot artist.
Great point. Sportsmanship. Geez... talk about the one thing lost in all this.
Remember Nash helping up Parker, then Parker giving his well-wishes to Nash when he couldn't get back in? Oh the games of yesterweek...
I don't like it either...but considering the likely consequences, it could be the ultimate of ultimate veteran moves. He knew amare's dumb, probably wasn't expecting diaw as an added bonus, and he did it by the suns bench in prime position for incitations....look at amare on replays it's like his little brain shut off and went into "moth to a light" mode in mere fractions of seconds...if anything, amare deserves suspension for just being so stupid...stupidity has to be penalized at some point...
Sounds to me like you latter statements contradict you initial statement.
Sounds to me like you think it's a great thing for Horry to do. A noble foul, or good foul because it better his team. Effin BS. Yeah, yeah, I get it. Outcrafted again... doesn't mean it's right, nor that a classy Spurs fan should like it.
I don't think what he did was as evil as some of you think. The Spurs didn't suddenly turn into what the Suns and their fans have accused them of being.
No...I even posted an entire thread on this and made many posts tonight about it that say otherwise. I don't condone Horry's actions in any way...he seriously risked injuring a great player and one of my absolute favorite guys in the league (right up there with manu and timmy and Agent Zero!). But what his actions did do was open up yet another opportunity for Amare's stupidity to come out. And what I said about that in the previous post (and previous sentence) is said as a slight insult/smack talk more than serious analysis. But it is funny how the result MIGHT play out...and how my "ultimate veteran move" notion might fit the results (not saying it's true, but it might end up "fitting the results").
Some of? Some of their {Suns} fans?
Until calling out Horry unnecessary bodycheck, I never called the Spurs dirty. OK, I take it back. I was pretty pissed about Bowen's knee to Nash's crouch. Those are the only two incidents and I think each is justifable.
Remember the whole shoe/other foot arguement...
In all that I still didn't call the Spurs dirty. Just those two players, or more specifically, called those two players into question for said two plays.
I was upset at Horry, calling him a baby (and worse), but not a dirty player per se...
I'm not sure if it's stupidity, though I won't question that Amare can be pretty dense sometimes. I think it was just emotions. He's a very emotional player, and this was a very emotional game. If you look at the pictures, everyone on the Suns bench was shocked and standing as if they were going to do something. Had a few of the Suns assistant coaches actually cared enough to turn and make sure player like Amare and Diaw weren't sneaking more than a step or two away from the bench, perhaps this doesn't happen.
I think it's pretty silly to tell an emotional human being to not react in a heated game like this. They aren't rebots. They won't all be able to handle the reaction the same way. Expecting perfection is absurd. I mean, we're talking a split second here. I imagine an anger emotion travels just as fast as a calming one.
Emotions shouldn't be a crutch. Amare should have kept his wits. What if horry was really pissed and acted on his emotions to give a little parting shot. Does that make what he did any less severe.
Hey, I'm all for Suns fans reacting angrily to the play. It looked like Horry tried to kill him. Anger is justified in the heat of the moment. We've discussed this ad nauseum in other threads. My point is that I think there were a lot of factors involved and it was the perfect storm of bad luck all around. If we are going to talk about Bowen's reputation for being dirty when there's an incident, then it might be a good idea for everyone to take Horry's reputation into account on this one. There are a lot of folks just jumping at the "he did it because he's a thug" thing, including Spurs fans, which surprises me. Personally, I think he ed up and the storm descended on him before he knew it.
I honestly believe that Horry didnt hammer Nash as hard as Nash made it look. Yes, it was intentional, yes it was forceful but I think Nash flopped a bit to make it seem like an NHL body check.
Horry was frustrated about the game so he tried to stop Nash from crossing mid court, who was trying to zip past Horry. Robert just wanted to stop Steve on his tracks, hit him hard enough for Nash to get the message that the spurs are still here.
Ordinarily, that bump would have just stopped someone quickly, or slowed him down and bounce a bit to the out of bounds, side court area. But Nash saw the hit coming so he timed it so that exactly the time he got hit, his legs would be in the air. That way it'll look more nasty. I admit Horry gave a hard foul, but if you get bumped like that with your feet still planted on the floor, you'd just bounce out of bounds and just stop.
It was a regular plkayoff foul. Watch it again on youtube.
Like elbowing Bell?
Horry was the one who unnecessarily fouled Nash in a flagrant manner. He's the one who then turned like a and walked off instead of offering a helping hand to help defuse the situation. He's the one who then elbowed Bell in the neck/head region with a forearm as the on-court players surrounded, refs and coaches battled to keep this from turning into a fight, and bench players stood and adjusted to get a better view.
Amare doesn't exactly fall into that last category, and I fully expect a suspension because of it. He took steps towards. That's the mistake. Still, you can't say emotions can't be a factor/crutch. I wasn't playing, but was still so hyped on nerves that when the incident occured i could hardly think. I was beside myself with rage over the incident and its affects.
Emotions can and do play a huge part in many of these players games, so asking them to restrain it is like asking a dog not to bark when it senses something. It's instinctual for many. Amare is that type of emotional player. It sucks. It shoudl be factored in, as its completely unfair to demand perfection on the issue, but I fear it won't be contemplated in time for Amare or Diaw.
I'm not convinced that Horry was just making sure that Nash didn't whiz around him. When Horry sees Finley touch Nash and the refs don't call it, and when the clock is winding down, and when Horry knows that Nash is smaller and quicker, he's got to make a split second decision. He also knows that if he flagrant fouls Nash, the game is over, but he also knows that if Nash gets by him, the game is over.
BTW, if I hit a guy and he flopped to make it look worse, I wouldn't try to help his ass up. I'm just sayin'.
Horry doesn't have to extend his hand, it was an obvious flagrant foul. Whem you flagrant foul somebody, you tend to not help them up cause you flagrant fouled them for a reason. And do you think Bell went after him just to tell him how mean it was to hit Nash and not help him up. Horry's suspended Diaw's suspended, Bell's fined, who knows about Amare.
There are two things pissing me off in this forum. The delight in the potential Suns suspensions by Spurs fans, and the arguement that the hit wasn't really that hard. WTF? Are you kidding me? I'm not saying Nash didn't play it up. He may have. But Horry threw his bigger body/shoulder into a smaller guard rounding a corner (therefore slightly off balance as a moving object has less control when in turn, note rollovers) in a very promt fashion. Horry clearly and intentionally leveled Nash. Whether it was meant to be that hard, I don't know, but you can't just so wrecklessly slam yourself into a player.I honestly believe that Horry didnt hammer Nash as hard as Nash made it look. Yes, it was intentional, yes it was forceful but I think Nash flopped a bit to make it seem like an NHL body check.
Horry was frustrated about the game so he tried to stop Nash from crossing mid court, who was trying to zip past Horry. Robert just wanted to stop Steve on his tracks, hit him hard enough for Nash to get the message that the spurs are still here.
Ordinarily, that bump would have just stopped someone quickly, or slowed him down and bounce a bit to the out of bounds, side court area. But Nash saw the hit coming so he timed it so that exactly the time he got hit, his legs would be in the air. That way it'll look more nasty. I admit Horry gave a hard foul, but if you get bumped like that with your feet still planted on the floor, you'd just bounce out of bounds and just stop.
It was a regular plkayoff foul. Watch it again on youtube.
It was intentional, it was very hard, and it was unnecessary. Whether it was that hard, or surprising isn't any justification for his action.
all of a sudden horry is massenburg about time we have an enforcer
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