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I feel like this after every loss.
I had a fear that Manu was due for a poor playoff performance, and so far he has certainly done horrible. Eventually it was time to regress to the mean after his ridiculously productive 2005 run. Actually he has done solid almost every single playoff statistically.
I am not sure he can reverse this debacle into a respectable playoffs. He would pretty much have to average 23ppg+ the rest of the way with good efficiency to even think about calling this a solid or respectable playoffs for him.
Now with Amare out, it pretty much puts a big stain on the Spurs should they survive this series. Surely Phoenix had momentum going into Game 5. Not that the Spurs didn't have a chance, but you have to give the Suns at least a slight edge in the best of three with two in Phoenix.
Unless the Spurs can blow the Suns out by 20+ is it possible to feel to respectable about winning this series? Even despite Amare being out, they can still beat the Spurs. Either way the Spurs don't look like champs coming out this series. Unless maybe it went to Game 7 and the Spurs won it.
This has become a nightmare in the sense that the Spurs won't look to impressive beating on an Amareless Sun team, and if they lose they would like really bad on top of it.
Is their really anything to take positively out of this series, unless somehow the Spurs either romp the Suns 2 games in a row, or find a way to win a potential Game 7 on the road? I am not sure this sits right with me. Manu playing crappy isn't too fun to see either, and given the Spurs might need a lucky break to win this series is disheartening.
Anyone else feel the same way?
I feel like this after every loss.
I usually feel bad. But with Amare being suspended, how else can the Spurs really look like a championship team unless they either blow the Suns out, or somehow end up in a Game 7 and come out victorious? Isn't it a damned if you do, damed if you don't kind of thing?
Gee maybe its because raja is locking manu down, ever think of that?
take a look at how manu does vs raja for the past few years... its a beautiful thing if youre a suns fan.
Manu sucked versus the Nuggets.
raja is playing good d, but manu is still missing a lot of wide open shots.
yea that last layup, i was suprised he missed that.
This is a great point.
And this is all the more reason for idiot Stern to change his beloved rules which are well intentioned but horribly legislated and worded.
I mean under his rules there is zero differentiation for your actions AFTER you leave the bench.
A guy who puts one foot onto the court and is trying to hold back his teammate is treated the same as someone who comes dashing onto the court and gets right into the middle of the mele.
Stern has made it so if the Spurs win all anyone will remember is that it was tainted, which isn't fair to either team really or any NBA fan who wants to watch quality basketball.
neither diaw or amare was trying to do that. every assistant on the benches knew what would happen to them and were trying to get them back as soon as possible. the blame lies nowhere but with those two players.
Manu is ruining us, almost ruined us against denver too.
Manu isn't a basketball player, he's a force of nature. The Spurs would be nowhere without him.
Manu cost us Game 7 against Dallas last year. He's ruining the series with the Suns as well. I say trade him while he still has some value.
Just wait until he hits a game winning 3pointer and he will be god again
If he does not play well the rest of this series win or lose it my opinion of him is tarnished, what he's doing is just not playing 'bad' but he's playing bad in almost every aspect possible..
When has he ever hit a game winner for the Spurs in the playoffs? He has made many clutch shots or plays, but nothing really resembling a game winner.
And it isn't even about that. The Spurs are playing an Amareless Suns team, even if Manu explodes, it will be against a disadvantage Suns team. And even one great game won't make this playoffs a good one for Manu. Unless Manu averages 35ppg in the next two or three games, I don't see how anyone can say he had an even mediocre playoffs by his standards. In fact he has had a ty playoffs compared to his regular season play, and that just sucks.
manu does not have any playoff confidence
after that stupid foul AGAINST MAVS
Manu is done. Like they say in France, si vous laissez tomber la pomme de terre sur le chateau de sable, le gros chien vous mangera, or something like that.
To be honest, they don't say that , but it's believable right?
Spurs Should Have Traded Him Last Offseason
It Looks Like
I was shocked Manu came up so empty in game 4 after he played so well in game 3. That was the difference, Tim even in foul trouble played well as did Tony it was Manu that cost the Spurs the game. If he just had a good night they win that game. Bell has played him well but he has not been agressive enough settling for too many jumpshots and i can't figure out why?
Manu is in a horrible slump. Poopavitch better pull his head out of his ass and start giving Manu's minutes to Barry.
All he has to do when he is out there is committ himself to going to he hoop period. If he does that he puts great pressure on the Suns and will be effective. Manu got too 3pt happy this year and is not going to the hoop in the playoffs and it is killing his game.
He CAN'T GET TO the hoop. He's lost the first step, and he can't jump. He can't slash through defenses like he used to. And when he flails into the paint, he throws the ball up in the air and hopes the refs will call a foul.
And he seems unable or unwilling to pass the ball when his drive gets cut off.
He's bringing nothing to the game and he should ride the pine.
People called me crazy when I said at the start of the season that this might be Manu's last season as a Spur.
Yeah, I've noticed that too. He seems physically drained and banged up after driving to the hoop the past couple years. All he does is take jumpers and it's pissing me off. At least Finley hits his damn 3s. 12.8 PPG on 33% shooting(26% from beyond the arc) is not going to cut it. Manu's finished.
Manu has had a poor playoffs so far, I don't think anyone can argue that. However, I don't think it's as historically bad as you are making it out to be. If you compare his numbers from the 2003 championship run, the numbers for this year's playoffs make him look like Michael Jordan. Especially if you take out the stats from the Lakers series.
2003
29 Minutes
8.6 Points
4.0 Rebounds
3.0 Assists
.349 FG%
.333 3P%
1.09 Points Per Shot
2007
29 Minutes
12.8 Points
5.0 Rebounds
4.0 Assists
.327 FG%
.263 3P%
1.05 Points Per Shot
Basically, in exactly the same amount of minutes, Ginobili's numbers were much worse in 2003.
Just win the series. When it's all said and done, nobody remembers specifics. All that is remembered are the wins and losses.
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