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    Sarver "The team that plays dirty should not be rewarded"


    Speaking specifically about the Horry-Nash incident, Suns owner Robert Sarver told reporters in Phoenix on Tuesday night: "The way this worked out for us, it was, I believe, extremely unfair. . . . The team that plays dirty should not be rewarded and the team that plays fair should not be penalized."

    Sarver added that the "first thing on my agenda" for next season will be making a push at ownership level to have the leave-the-bench rule re-examined. Sarver also said that NBA commissioner David Stern has canceled a schedule appearance in Phoenix for Wednesday night's Game 5.

    Jackson said the league would consider re-evaluating the policy for next season "if a change is warranted" but insisted that "right now that line is very clear."

    "The rule is the rule," Jackson said.

    "It's not a matter of fairness. It's a matter of correctness."

    Jackson added: "The purpose of the rule is to prevent the escalation of these types of incidents and in turn protect the health and safety of our players and diminish the chance of serious injury [for] our players."

    All three of the suspended players, according to Jackson, have the right to appeal their suspensions at the end of the season to perhaps retrieve lost salary, but there is no appeal process that could restore eligibility in time for Wednesday's tipoff.

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    maybe he needs to scan the team payroll and realize that raja bell is on his team.

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    Sarver also said that NBA commissioner David Stern has canceled a schedule appearance in Phoenix for Wednesday night's Game 5.

    sun fans would kill him

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    sun fan seems to possess a weird sense of en lement and angst. maybe it starts from the top down.

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    Spurs are not being rewarded. The Suns are being punished for breaking the rules. . Too bad for you, Sarver, that it wasn't two scrubs that jumped up like thugs wanting to get into a brawl.

    Quit the crying already.

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    LMAO. Stern cancelled? Now THAT's funny!

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    No wonder the organization is nothing but a bunch of es and whiners.


    Sarver - instead of blaming the league and the rule, blame the ing idiots on your team who broke the rule. I bet this guy would blame a rape victim for getting raped because she was wearing a short skirt and obviously deserved to be raped. He should be strung up and beaten San Antonio Pinata style.

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    Maybe Stern will let them play if you chicken-dance for him. .

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    I am done with this issue. I said my piece and over my frustration with the ruling. Hopefully the Suns win if not Amare will be back in Game 6.

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    Is going to walk into the league office doing his chicken routine?

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    I wonder if Sarver will donate the same amount as his fine to a charity like Cuban does.

    Stern doesn't like it when owners go public with criticism of the league.

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    No wonder the organization is nothing but a bunch of es and whiners.


    Sarver - instead of blaming the league and the rule, blame the ing idiots on your team who broke the rule. I bet this guy would blame a rape victim for getting raped because she was wearing a short skirt and obviously deserved to be raped. He should be strung up and beaten San Antonio Pinata style.

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    Having seen the replay again this morning, I don't really see how the Suns can argue that Stoudemire was doing anything other than trying to get involved in the altercation. He might have been running to check on Nash, but he clearly makes a move towards Horry, but gets restrained.

    Stu Jackson, on Mike and Mike this morning, said that the suspensions struck him as a no-brainer when he initially saw the play. His point was that Stoudemire and Diaw strayed more than 20-25 feet from the bench. He also argued that had the incident occurred across the floor, Stoudemire and Diaw's movement would have put them well onto the floor and there would have been no question about whether they should be suspended. I don't necessarily buy the extension argument he made, but I can see his point that 20-25 feet from the bench is easily beyond the immediate vicinity of the bench, and that the league really had no wiggle room to do anything with Stoudemire and Diaw but suspend them.

    I guess the point is that the Suns have only themselves to blame for losing their poise, even if the Spurs played dirty. Had Stoudemire and Diaw not responded -- had they just maintained their poise as the rule requires -- the punishments would have gone entirely against the Spurs.

    Jackson also said that the dispositive factor with regard to the Duncan part of the equation (on Elson's dunk) was that there was no altercation.

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    Why not just roll the suspensions over to the next regular season? Punish guys for breaking rules, fine, or suspend them immediately for landing punches, but why should this affect the potential outcome of a playoff series?

    If you truly care about your product, why wreck a great series because Amare and Diaw wandered 20 feet away from their bench?

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    Why not just roll the suspensions over to the next regular season? Punish guys for breaking rules, fine, or suspend them immediately for landing punches, but why should this affect the potential outcome of a playoff series?

    If you truly care about your product, why wreck a great series because Amare and Diaw wandered 20 feet away from their bench?
    Then guys could do as they wish in the playoffs, knowing that their suspensions won't take place until the start of the season in much less-meaningful games.

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    Why not just roll the suspensions over to the next regular season? Punish guys for breaking rules, fine, or suspend them immediately for landing punches, but why should this affect the potential outcome of a playoff series?

    If you truly care about your product, why wreck a great series because Amare and Diaw wandered 20 feet away from their bench?
    yes the series is wrecked. But Amare and Diaw's dumbasses wrecked it.

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    Then guys could do as they wish in the playoffs, knowing that their suspensions won't take place until the start of the season in much less-meaningful games.
    Do as they wish? A good rule of thumb would be to suspend guys immediately if they land punches, but in the case of Amare and Diaw, no harm, no foul. They can still be punished next November.

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    Why not just roll the suspensions over to the next regular season? Punish guys for breaking rules, fine, or suspend them immediately for landing punches, but why should this affect the potential outcome of a playoff series?

    If you truly care about your product, why wreck a great series because Amare and Diaw wandered 20 feet away from their bench?
    that's the stupidest thing I've read in the last 20 minutes, and that's saying a lot. You just shamed yourself, go to your room and say 10 hail mary's and make sure to pray for Dirk's mental recovery.

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    yes the series is wrecked. But Amare and Diaw's dumbasses wrecked it.
    And Horry as well for carrying out the Code Red.

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    bending the rules to accomodate stars who can't follow them. that goes on enough in pro sports and to a more general extent, in our society. you don't want players coming off the bench when there is a fight so that such a situation can be contained and controlled. especially in the playoffs when emotions are raised.

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    that's the stupidest thing I've read in the last 20 minutes, and that's saying a lot. You just shamed yourself, go to your room and say 10 hail mary's and make sure to pray for Dirk's mental recovery.
    No response to a well-reasoned argument, other than to acknowledge you're out of ammo by saying "That's stupid." Look in the mirror, please.

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    Having seen the replay again this morning, I don't really see how the Suns can argue that Stoudemire was doing anything other than trying to get involved in the altercation. He might have been running to check on Nash, but he clearly makes a move towards Horry, but gets restrained.

    Stu Jackson, on Mike and Mike this morning, said that the suspensions struck him as a no-brainer when he initially saw the play. His point was that Stoudemire and Diaw strayed more than 20-25 feet from the bench. He also argued that had the incident occurred across the floor, Stoudemire and Diaw's movement would have put them well onto the floor and there would have been no question about whether they should be suspended. I don't necessarily buy the extension argument he made, but I can see his point that 20-25 feet from the bench is easily beyond the immediate vicinity of the bench, and that the league really had no wiggle room to do anything with Stoudemire and Diaw but suspend them.

    I guess the point is that the Suns have only themselves to blame for losing their poise, even if the Spurs played dirty. Had Stoudemire and Diaw not responded -- had they just maintained their poise as the rule requires -- the punishments would have gone entirely against the Spurs.

    Jackson also said that the dispositive factor with regard to the Duncan part of the equation (on Elson's dunk) was that there was no altercation.
    I've said it before, and I'll say it again, if they hadn't stepped past the coaches box they'd still be playing. Since they broke that seal, the NBA had no choice.

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    Why not just roll the suspensions over to the next regular season? Punish guys for breaking rules, fine, or suspend them immediately for landing punches, but why should this affect the potential outcome of a playoff series?

    If you truly care about your product, why wreck a great series because Amare and Diaw wandered 20 feet away from their bench?
    Punishment is supposed to be a deterrent. Allowing the suspensions to be rolled over to a meaningless season opener game would negate the fact that the league is extremely image conscious and does not tolerate fighting and on court post play altercations...Especially on national TV...

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    Stern has always been an egotistical less .

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    Do as they wish? A good rule of thumb would be to suspend guys immediately if they land punches, but in the case of Amare and Diaw, no harm, no foul. They can still be punished next November.
    Seriously, the rule is in place to keep combatants on the bench from charging the court as well as keep peace keepers on the bench from being mistaken as combatants and retaliated against. If you lessen the punishment, people won't take it seriously. The rule is fine as is, and 99.9% of the NBA has no problem following it. When was the last time this was an issue in a playoff game? Stoudemire and Diaw are just that stupid.

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