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    I was discussing Brent Barry in another thread when I accidentally stumbled upon perhaps the most tellings stats in the history of civilization.

    I've often said that the only thing that holds Brent Barry back is his timidness. When he's not playing scared, he's a fantastic bench player. When he's playing scared, he's a huge liability.

    To best see how a player reacts to adversity and whether they shrivel up and get timid or fight through it is by looking at what they do on the road. On the road, it's the five players on the court versus the world. It's not a situation for the meek.

    Now this is what I've stumbled upon:

    Brent Barry hasn't scored a point on the road in the playoffs. Not one single point. That's ridiculously sick.

    And to make it even sicker, he has scored in every single home game.

    That proves once and for all that Barry gets scared. WTF is that? I'm floored by these findings.

    On the road in the playoffs, zero points in 56 minutes.

    At home in the playoffs, 24 points in 54 minutes.

    I don't know what more to say. This is like I found the holy grail of timidness.


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    Hopefully he will show up in game 6 then

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    Good thing the next game is at home.

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    Pop gets an F for not playing him more minutes at home....

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    And I don't want to here about two years ago. This is 2007 and it's a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately league.

    If Barry can't produce on the road, Pop should just stick to playing Barry at the friendly confines of the AT&T Center.

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    Ever in his career? Ever against the Suns? Ever this year?

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    SPURS 121      SUNS 114   
     May 22, 2005  
    America West Arena,
    Phoenix, AZ  
    Attendance: 18,422  
     
     
     
     
    Officials:  #6  Jim  Clark , #17 Joe Crawford , #35 Jack Nies   Time of Game:  2:39  
     
     
     
     SPURS 
     Statistics   Schedule/Scores   Tickets   Shop   
     
     
     
          
     
     M. Ginobili  G  37  5-10   
      1-2   
      9-13   
      0  6  6  5  3  1  2  0  20  
     T. Parker  G  36  13-22   
      2-5   
      1-4   
      2  5  7  2  4  2  4  0  29  
     T. Duncan  F  40  10-21   
      0-1   
      8-10   
      3  12  15  4  3  0  3  1  28  
     B. Bowen  F  27  1-5   
      0-3   
      0-0   
      0  1  1  1  2  0  1  0  2  
     N. Mohammed  C  23  4-7   
      0-0   
      1-2   
      4  3  7  1  5  0  1  2  9  
     B. Barry    34  8-12   
      5-8   
      0-0   
      1  1  2  1  2  3  0  0  21  
     R. Horry    27  4-7   
      2-4   
      2-2   
      3  4  7  3  2  2  0  1  12  
     B. Udrih    12  0-3   
      0-0   
      0-0   
      0  0  0  1  2  1  0  0  0  
     R. Nesterovic    4  0-0   
      0-0   
      0-0   
      0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  
     D. Brown  Coach's decision    
     G. Robinson  Family business    
     T. Massenburg  Coach's decision    
     
      TOTAL      240  45-87  10-23  21-31  13  32  45  18  23  9  11  4  121   
      
     
          .517   .435  .677  Team Rebs: 10    TOTAL TO:  11  
     
     
     
     
     SUNS 
     Statistics   Schedule/Scores   Tickets   Shop   
     
     
     
          
     
     J. Jackson  G  41  8-16   
      4-8   
      0-0   
      0  8  8  1  1  1  1  0  20  
     S. Nash  G  40  12-22   
      0-0   
      5-5   
      0  4  4  13  5  1  6  1  29  
     Q. Richardson  F  42  3-9   
      1-5   
      0-0   
      1  2  3  1  5  2  0  0  7  
     S. Marion  F  38  1-6   
      0-1   
      1-2   
      2  7  9  1  4  1  1  0  3  
     A. Stoudemire  C  36  13-21   
      0-0   
      15-18   
      6  3  9  1  2  0  2  1  41  
     S. Hunter    30  3-6   
      0-0   
      3-4   
      4  4  8  0  4  0  1  1  9  
     L. Barbosa    13  2-6   
      1-1   
      0-0   
      0  0  0  2  1  0  1  0  5  
     B. Outlaw  Coach's decision    
     J. Voskuhl  Coach's decision    
     P. Shirley  Coach's decision    
     J. Johnson  Fractured orbital bone    
     W. McCarty  Coach's decision    
     
      TOTAL      240  42-86  6-15  24-29  13  28  41  19  22  5  12  3  114   
      
     
          .488   .400  .828  Team Rebs: 5    TOTAL TO:  12  
     
     
     
     
      
     
     
     
      TEAM STATISTICS 
     
     Spurs  Suns 
     
     
     Fast Break Pts  6  6 
     Pts in the Paint  62  40 
     Biggest Lead  11  8 
             
     
       
      Lead Changes 
      Times Tied 
     
      8 
    11 
     
     
       
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
      FINAL  1  2  3  4  T 
      Spurs   30  25  23  43  121 
      Suns   20  29  33  32  114 
      TECHNICAL FOUL INDIVIDUAL 
     
     
    SAS 3rd Qtr 9:55  GREGG POPOVICH 
    PHO -

    That was the biggest game of Barry's career...it came on the road, against this team, in game 1.

    13 pts in the 4th...5-5.


    It's good to see fairweatherVP tries hard to be objective.

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    And I don't want to here about two years ago.
    2005 when nobody was guarding him!
    PWNT.

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    And I don't want to here about two years ago. This is 2007 and it's a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately league.
    Aka I don't want to read things that destroy the statiscal fluke I've found.

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    Hey...you're the one saying the Suns aren't going to guard him now...not me.


    He's not getting left open from 3 as much as Manu is.

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    Chuck B. said the stars star home and away, but the role players often disappear on the road.

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    SPURS 121      SUNS 114   
     May 22, 2005  
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    Attendance: 18,422  
     
     
     
     
    Officials:  #6  Jim  Clark , #17 Joe Crawford , #35 Jack Nies   Time of Game:  2:39  
     
     
     
     SPURS 
     Statistics   Schedule/Scores   Tickets   Shop   
     
     
     
          
     
     M. Ginobili  G  37  5-10   
      1-2   
      9-13   
      0  6  6  5  3  1  2  0  20  
     T. Parker  G  36  13-22   
      2-5   
      1-4   
      2  5  7  2  4  2  4  0  29  
     T. Duncan  F  40  10-21   
      0-1   
      8-10   
      3  12  15  4  3  0  3  1  28  
     B. Bowen  F  27  1-5   
      0-3   
      0-0   
      0  1  1  1  2  0  1  0  2  
     N. Mohammed  C  23  4-7   
      0-0   
      1-2   
      4  3  7  1  5  0  1  2  9  
     B. Barry    34  8-12   
      5-8   
      0-0   
      1  1  2  1  2  3  0  0  21  
     R. Horry    27  4-7   
      2-4   
      2-2   
      3  4  7  3  2  2  0  1  12  
     B. Udrih    12  0-3   
      0-0   
      0-0   
      0  0  0  1  2  1  0  0  0  
     R. Nesterovic    4  0-0   
      0-0   
      0-0   
      0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  
     D. Brown  Coach's decision    
     G. Robinson  Family business    
     T. Massenburg  Coach's decision    
     
      TOTAL      240  45-87  10-23  21-31  13  32  45  18  23  9  11  4  121   
      
     
          .517   .435  .677  Team Rebs: 10    TOTAL TO:  11  
     
     
     
     
     SUNS 
     Statistics   Schedule/Scores   Tickets   Shop   
     
     
     
          
     
     J. Jackson  G  41  8-16   
      4-8   
      0-0   
      0  8  8  1  1  1  1  0  20  
     S. Nash  G  40  12-22   
      0-0   
      5-5   
      0  4  4  13  5  1  6  1  29  
     Q. Richardson  F  42  3-9   
      1-5   
      0-0   
      1  2  3  1  5  2  0  0  7  
     S. Marion  F  38  1-6   
      0-1   
      1-2   
      2  7  9  1  4  1  1  0  3  
     A. Stoudemire  C  36  13-21   
      0-0   
      15-18   
      6  3  9  1  2  0  2  1  41  
     S. Hunter    30  3-6   
      0-0   
      3-4   
      4  4  8  0  4  0  1  1  9  
     L. Barbosa    13  2-6   
      1-1   
      0-0   
      0  0  0  2  1  0  1  0  5  
     B. Outlaw  Coach's decision    
     J. Voskuhl  Coach's decision    
     P. Shirley  Coach's decision    
     J. Johnson  Fractured orbital bone    
     W. McCarty  Coach's decision    
     
      TOTAL      240  42-86  6-15  24-29  13  28  41  19  22  5  12  3  114   
      
     
          .488   .400  .828  Team Rebs: 5    TOTAL TO:  12  
     
     
     
     
      
     
     
     
      TEAM STATISTICS 
     
     Spurs  Suns 
     
     
     Fast Break Pts  6  6 
     Pts in the Paint  62  40 
     Biggest Lead  11  8 
             
     
       
      Lead Changes 
      Times Tied 
     
      8 
    11 
     
     
       
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
      FINAL  1  2  3  4  T 
      Spurs   30  25  23  43  121 
      Suns   20  29  33  32  114 
      TECHNICAL FOUL INDIVIDUAL 
     
     
    SAS 3rd Qtr 9:55  GREGG POPOVICH 
    PHO -

    That was the biggest game of Barry's career...it came on the road, against this team, in game 1.

    13 pts in the 4th...5-5.


    It's good to see fairweatherVP tries hard to be objective.
    So 1 game makes up for all of his other liabilities and ty ass games? Nice logic. 1 game defines a player!

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    Hey...you're the one saying the Suns aren't going to guard him now...not me.


    He's not getting left open from 3 as much as Manu is.
    When did I say that? The Suns guard him now, that's why he doesn't score on the road.

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    I don't know how you guys contest the fact that this year, in playoffs, he hasn't scored one point outside AT&T Center.

    Yes, I was happy about his road game against the Suns in 2005 too. But what's with this season?

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    Aka I don't want to read things that destroy the statiscal fluke I've found.
    Fluke?

    What's the statistically likelihood that out of ten games, with five at home and five on the road, that one would blindly pick the five road games?

    I'm sure some math whiz can come up with that answer for you.


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    Barry was playing great before his back spasms curtailed his rythm... Much like all shooters Barry is a rhythm player.... it's just unfortunate that he hasn't found that groove yet.

    Having said that, I'd rather see more Barry than Vaughn.... Barry has been the best post feeder when on the strong side of 4th down plays.

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    brent barry gets loved because he has a hot wife not because he plays well on road!

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    I'm on whottt side


    yup

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    Fluke?

    What's the statistically likelihood that out of ten games, with five at home and five on the road, that one would blindly pick the five road games?

    I'm sure some math whiz can come up with that answer for you.

    Yes, Fluke.
    Barry has only hit more than 1 shoot in one game this year.

    This thread remains me your "Ginobili sucks on the road during playoffs" thread while Manu has been better on the road than at home since you made it.

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    Last season vs. Dallas he was nowhere to be found also

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    I'm on whottt side


    yup
    I'm hoping that whottt and Brent Barry own me in this thread. If this thread gets bumped, I'll be the happiest poster here.

    But when I watch him and he looks scared on the road and then I check the numbers and it's even worse than I could ever imagine, Barry deserves to be called out.

    This is about winning championships. Not pretending player's don't have weaknesses.

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    Yes, Fluke.
    Barry has only hit more than 1 shoot in one game this year.

    This thread remains me your "Ginobili sucks on the road during playoffs" thread while Manu has been better on the road than at home since you made it.
    Like that time, I'm only pointing out the stats. Don't hate the messenger. I'm not the one 0-fer the playoffs on the road.

    If Barry bounces back, I'll gladly eat crow.

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    Like that time, I'm only pointing out the stats.
    No, you aren't only pointing stats.
    You are pointing stats and drawing a conclusion : "Barry Gets Scared".

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    I'm hoping that whottt and Brent Barry own me in this thread. If this thread gets bumped, I'll be the happiest poster here
    Aren't you yet?

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    Statistically speaking, there is a 0.4% chance of this happening by chance, if my math is right.

    So yeah, Barry isn't getting scared on the road, it's just a mathematical accident

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