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    Now that the Suns have their two players back and are at full strength again, do you think there will be any changes in strategy with what D'Antoni will do against the Spurs? I think two main things he may do is mix in more double teams on Timmy or even Manu if Manu goes off, and he may add the ultra small lineup that gave the Spurs trouble in game 5 to the rotation. The Spurs through most of game 5 couldn't hit the widest of open shots off the doubles and D'Antoni may try it again in spot minutes to see what effectiveness it may have.

    For the Spurs, I think it'll be the same strategy with Oberto starting and Manu coming off the bench. I'll be interested to see what changes to the rotation Pop goes with now that the Suns are at full strength but the Spurs are down arguably their best front court player outside of Duncan. Does anyone think the additions of Stoudemire and Diaw will actually help the Spurs match up since Oberto won't be having to guard Marion? What are your overall thoughts on how game 6 will unfold?

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    Now that the Suns have their two players back and are at full strength again, do you think there will be any changes in strategy with what D'Antoni will do against the Spurs? I think two main things he may do is mix in more double teams on Timmy or even Manu if Manu goes off, and he may add the ultra small lineup that gave the Spurs trouble in game 5 to the rotation. The Spurs through most of game 5 couldn't hit the widest of open shots off the doubles and D'Antoni may try it again in spot minutes to see what effectiveness it may have.

    For the Spurs, I think it'll be the same strategy with Oberto starting and Manu coming off the bench. I'll be interested to see what changes to the rotation Pop goes with now that the Suns are at full strength but the Spurs are down arguably their best front court player outside of Duncan. Does anyone think the additions of Stoudemire and Diaw will actually help the Spurs match up since Oberto won't be having to guard Marion? What are your overall thoughts on how game 6 will unfold?

    Yeah, if he's got any sense he'll double team Tim, but there's no answer to Manu and Tony. He can go small, but in this contest, it's not going to work. (There was a lot else going on last night, dynamics-wise.)

    Marion was the thorn in our ass last night. Stoudemire's and Diaw's presence can only help us. Double teaming Tim will leave a deep bench full of shooters open, including Finley and Bowen.

    I hope Pop starts Oberto. Manu's hot. Timmy's hot. Spurs will close it out.

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    I think TP will have to have a good game, not necessarily scoring wise but he'll have to be smart with the ball and hit the occasional jumper. With Vaughn looking like he's on the Suns payroll TP may have to log big minutes to win this one. Hopefully the 4th quarter shooting of Manu, Finley, and Bowen will be there in this game to close out the Suns.

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    Strange as it seems, I think the Suns defense has been good enough all series, and I don't see any need to change that up much in Game 6. I think D'Antoni will stick with single-team defense on TD until late in the game, because it prevents everybody else from getting into a shooting rhythm. Then you double-team in the fourth quarter, and force a cold shooter to sink big shots in crunch time. Sometimes they hit (Game 5), but sometimes they don't (Game 4), and everybody's scratching their heads wondering why suddenly nobody can hit a shot.

    The problem has been on the offensive side -- the Suns live off of quick ball movement, drive and kick, and hitting open threes. But none of that works if everybody stays home on three-point shooters, and the pick and roll has been a little shaky. I don't completely trust D'Antoni's coaching moves, but I trust Nash's ability to solve a defense. He's seen it five times now, and I think he'll crack it.

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    Strange as it seems, I think the Suns defense has been good enough all series, and I don't see any need to change that up much in Game 6. I think D'Antoni will stick with single-team defense on TD until late in the game, because it prevents everybody else from getting into a shooting rhythm. Then you double-team in the fourth quarter, and force a cold shooter to sink big shots in crunch time. Sometimes they hit (Game 5), but sometimes they don't (Game 4), and everybody's scratching their heads wondering why suddenly nobody can hit a shot.

    The problem has been on the offensive side -- the Suns live off of quick ball movement, drive and kick, and hitting open threes. But none of that works if everybody stays home on three-point shooters, and the pick and roll has been a little shaky. I don't completely trust D'Antoni's coaching moves, but I trust Nash's ability to solve a defense. He's seen it five times now, and I think he'll crack it.

    I DO NOT GET WHY SUNS DO NOT PRACTICE IN TRAINING CAMP PLAYS THAT WILL WORK WHEN QUICK BALL MOVEMENT DOES NOT WORK?

    THEY KNOW THEY HAVE TO GET BY THE SPURS
    ARE THEY STUPID?

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    I DO NOT GET WHY SUNS DO NOT PRACTICE IN TRAINING CAMP PLAYS THAT WILL WORK WHEN QUICK BALL MOVEMENT DOES NOT WORK?

    THEY KNOW THEY HAVE TO GET BY THE SPURS
    ARE THEY STUPID?
    They don't have a dominate post player that routinely draws double teams and is skilled enough to find the open player. TD and Shaq have been about the only players who can command that kind of respect from the defense over the last several years and can pass out of it with precision. Amare is a cutter and finisher, not a post up player.

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    They don't have a dominate post player that routinely draws double teams and is skilled enough to find the open player. TD and Shaq have been about the only players who can command that kind of respect from the defense over the last several years and can pass out of it with precision. Amare is a cutter and finisher, not a post up player.
    TRADE AMARE + BANKS FOR KG
    AND WOLVES DRAFT PICK
    SUNS WOULD HAVE 4 DRAFT PICKS
    THEN THEY COULD TRADE THEIR PICKS FOR A GOOD PLAYER
    OR KEEP THE PICKS AND GET A 10 MAN ROTATION

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    The Suns are already in a cap , adding KG isn't a viable option unless they don't want Nash and many other players anymore.

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    -Give it to Duncan. Drive in and take it strong to the hoop or find the open guy.

    -If they double Duncan, hit open jumpers or pass to the cutters for a layin.

    -Play some Dirtay D.

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    Why don't the Suns practice plays that will work when ball movement does not?

    I don't get that either -- it's a major problem, and it's also the real reason why the Suns don't use their bench. Unlike set plays that everybody can learn, you can't just plug somebody in to an improvisational offense for five minutes a game and expect anything. So far as I can tell, the only "plays" the Suns really have are just patterns that grow organically over the course of the season because they work. Like the back door alley oop--I suppose you could call it a "play," but the whole point of it is that it only works when nobody suspects that you're going to run it, which means that it has to happen spontaneously. Or the pick and roll -- I suppose it's a "play," but only if you call a play "Amare sets a pick at the top of the key, then Nash starts dribbling all over the court until he spots a mismatch or an opening and makes a play."

    On the other hand, that's why I love the Suns. They want to win, but for better or worse, they want to prove that they can do it their way. It may be a totally quixotic quest, but I can relate to it in my own life. I think a lot of people can relate to it, actually, and I think that's one reason why they are a popular team.

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    "Strange as it seems, I think the Suns defense has been good enough all series"

    The Suns' D has improved, no doubt about it.


    "The problem has been on the offensive side -- the Suns live off of quick ball movement"

    But as the Spurs are capable of consistently calling the pace, that's been only partially effective.


    "I trust Nash's ability to solve a defense. He's seen it five times now, and I think he'll crack it."

    And as soon as he cracks it, it'll change. Our bench makes for some ingenious rotation -- assuming the right combo is engaged.

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    Why don't the Suns practice plays that will work when ball movement does not?

    I don't get that either -- it's a major problem, and it's also the real reason why the Suns don't use their bench. Unlike set plays that everybody can learn, you can't just plug somebody in to an improvisational offense for five minutes a game and expect anything. So far as I can tell, the only "plays" the Suns really have are just patterns that grow organically over the course of the season because they work. Like the back door alley oop--I suppose you could call it a "play," but the whole point of it is that it only works when nobody suspects that you're going to run it, which means that it has to happen spontaneously. Or the pick and roll -- I suppose it's a "play," but only if you call a play "Amare sets a pick at the top of the key, then Nash starts dribbling all over the court until he spots a mismatch or an opening and makes a play."

    On the other hand, that's why I love the Suns. They want to win, but for better or worse, they want to prove that they can do it their way. It may be a totally quixotic quest, but I can relate to it in my own life. I think a lot of people can relate to it, actually, and I think that's one reason why they are a popular team.
    They run more plays than you think. Although they aren't the greatest in a set offense, their offense revolves around spreading the floor with shooters and running pick and rolls from a few different spots and letting Nash decide what the defense is giving him and where to go with the ball. The back side alley oops are sometimes called as a set out of a timeout, but mostly used when a team is leaning heavy on ball denial or is simply losing sight of their man.

    With that said, their best offense is still getting a turnover, long rebound, or quick inbound pass that leads to a quick outlet and the ball in either Nash or Barbosa's hands.

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    I believe and adjustment Pop is forced to make will be bonner gettin some minutes. I have faith in bonner especially @ him that he will get the job done

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    If the Spurs do a good job and stay at home on the shooters in the spread offense the Phoenix half court offense will either have to come from Nash creating shots for himself or from cutters off the ball or in the pick and roll. The flipside is that the Spurs have seen this offense for 5 straight games too, and are getting better at either TP or Bowen (whoever is guarding Nash) taking the passing lanes away while TD or the Big in the game shuts off Nash's path for a layup. That leaves the screener open and is why Thomas routinely gets open looks. In game 5 the Spurs were quick to recover on defensive rotation and made Thomas put the ball on the court many times, and that isn't his strong suit.

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