Setting The Record Straight About U.S. Voter Fraud Allegations

[Nbadan]

NOVEMBER 15, 2004 – My, my, my. Look at the non-Moderate Independent media at work.

People who believe our elections should have integrity are ‘conspiracy theorists.’ George W. Bush’s winning margin is historically large, the first actual majority in ages. John Kerry – and his horrible, borderline psychotic wife – ran a horrible campaign. George Bush ran a smart campaign and won thanks to the ‘values vote.’

This is the world of the non-M/I media, and this is the filter America gets its information through. And with all of the above, we are just talking about the mainstream non-Moderate Independent media. For Fox, Limbaugh, Hannity, etc. it is even better.

People who believe our elections should have integrity are ‘lefties,’ ‘liberals,’ or part of a ‘radical fringe.’ George W. Bush’s victory was a massive ‘mandate.’ And John Kerry – and his horrible, over-the-borderline psychotic wife – not only ran a terrible campaign, but were terrible candidates (even if she wasn't actually one,) and terrible people. Bush ran a brilliant campaign and won thanks to the fact that America is an evangelical Christian dominated nation.

This is the world of the Fox/Limbaughians.

All of this ‘perspective’ and coverage simply shows once again that the entire non-M/I media is nothing but a battle of right-wing and right-winger. So, for the sake of having somebody deal with all of these issues from a place called reality and a perspective called American, let me take a moment to set a few things straight.

People who believe our elections should have integrity, that people should actually both get to vote and have their votes accurately counted, are not of any particular party, they are of all parties. Those who pretend people battling over the election’s results are just sore losers trying to come up with conspiracy theories obviously have missed the last four years.

You know, those four years during which these same people – people like the ones over at www.blackboxvoting.org – have been saying it looks like the fix is in. This is not something people dreamt up on election night as things started to be called for Bush, as the entire non-M/I media is making it out to be. It is nice they have just found www.blackboxvoting.org and finally acknowledged the existence of its founder, but that doesn’t change the fact that for the past four years she and top scientists from top universities and millions upon millions of Americans have been battling against paperless e-voting, because the system quite simply lacks integrity, as it leaves no verifiable paper trail.

This would be bad enough alone if it wasn’t for the second part of this reality: Bush Republicans fought, went to court, and even legislated in places like Florida not to only ensure there would be no paper trail for the e-voting, but that doing a recount would be forbidden by law.

A little odd?

We got an e-mail from blackboxvoting.org a while back, asking us if we might put their information – the info that explains why the e-voting machines we used were in no way safe or secure - up on our server, as they were having server after server shut down by the authorities. We didn’t know what to make of them or the claim about websites being shut down, so we didn’t help out. But we read their material, and it, in detail, laid out the problems with e-voting.

So for four years there has been the clear statement that the setup was not one with integrity, and the fact that the Bush Republicans were going to such great lengths to ensure that our elections would be operated on electronic machines with no paper trail brought alarm to millions – even if the non-M/I media and the Democratic Party chose not to deal with it.

You had the easily fixable machines, on which 40 million of the votes this past election were cast. Then you had the fact that the man responsible for programming and making most of them was not just a Bush supporter, but a high-level Bush campaign operative who happened to be from Ohio and who openly, publicly promised to do whatever necessary to deliver Ohio to Bush.

You may not have been paying attention, but it doesn’t change the fact that millions of Kerry supporters were very concerned going into the election that no matter what success they actually had, the vote was going to be fixed. Not after the fact, before the fact. And no, not due to paranoia, but due to the simple facts laid out above which should have had all Americans who care about the integrity of our elections in great alarm.

As if all of this wasn’t bad enough, election night came, and the exit polling said one thing while the vote tallies said something entirely opposite. And errors and problems popped up by the thousands, and all of them had one thing in common: they all tilted things in favor of Bush. Not one machine took a Bush vote and registered it Kerry, not one precinct accidentally gave Kerry some extra thousands of votes, not one mostly Republican precinct had its voters stuck standing in line for 7-10 hours. Not one. But in thousands of reported cases this occurred the opposite way.

The millions of people now demanding recounts and blogging away over the voting issues did everything possible to ensure this scenario never happened. They wanted – as the Bush side of things claims to want now – simply to be able to have a vote and go with the results. But reality is reality.

And the reality is that: the voting technology used was fixable; the man in charge of the company who made and programmed most of the e-voting machines was one campaign’s operative; and – again, this actually occurred – the exit polls said something entirely opposite of what the election tally said. If you need all this in greater detail, try this report from a Ph.D. expert on the subject from the University of Pennsylvania - all the info on exactly how the exit polls were skewed, etc. are analyzed in this. For example, check out this chart:



His conclusion: fraud or mistabulation is, "an unavoidable hypothesis, one that it is the responsibility of the media, academia, polling agencies, and the public to investigate."

To look at facts and decide that 2 plus 2 might just equal four is not radical, and it has nothing to do with left, right, or center. A detective who spots something su ious and follows up on a lead is not suddenly called a “leftist.” He is called someone doing his job.

And, despite the expected non-M/I media’s usual bullying and name calling, that’s exactly what the election count battle is.

Next: The idea that George W. Bush won some sort of ‘mandate,’ and the constant pointing out of how this is the first time in a long time that a President has won an actual majority – and so that must mean this was a real big showing for Bush – is just more of the same name calling-type nonsense.

The non-M/I media knows just as well as we do that George W. Bush’s margin of victory was among the smallest in our entire nation’s history, and that his “majority” victory was among the most pathetic of margins. Sure, the last time a President won a true majority was in 1988, but that was because in 1992 a major third-party candidate, Ross Perot, ran and got about 20 percent of the vote, and in 1996 he ran again and got almost 10 percent. In 2000 we had the last Bush election mess, where he didn’t win the popular vote at all, never mind a majority.

So you see, the fact that it has been a while since a President has won with an actual majority in no way means that Bush’s 51% this time would be a big victory. Everyone knows this. 51% is an extremely slim margin of victory, one of the smallest percentages for a president to get in our nation’s history, and all the media outlets pretending it means something else are, yet again, just bullying and trying to force a legitimacy on a election that can not be legitimate until several questions are resolved – if they can even be resolved, thanks to the entirely unverifiable setup the Bush Republicans worked so hard to arrange.

Next: every media outlet out there is bashing John Kerry’s campaign, or at least picking it apart. Newsweek is even going after his wife viscously. While these stories may be fair game enough (and we have our share of Kerry campaign stories as well, which we will share shortly,) not one of these outlets has hit the real story about what a disastrous failure Bush’s campaign was.

An in bent President in time of war with a massive propaganda machine and a campaign money war chest bigger than any before in history barely manages to survive. He ran a horrible campaign, which began during his first day in office, ins uting policies even his most fervent supporters couldn’t go along with without holding their noses, such as his reckless deficit spending and the asinine unilateral, pre-emptive venture into Iraq.

His performances in the debates, in particular in the first debate, were not just poor, not even just bad, but historically horrible. Children throughout the ages will watch the first debate between John Kerry and George W. Bush and watch in awe as the nation’s official president shows himself to truly be the mentally incompetent puppet people joked about all along, the man who was afraid to testify in front of Congress without having Cheney there to hold his hand, the man who never held free form press conferences. The closely guarded secret of Bush’s bizarre lack of temperamental control and clear lack of mental ability got past the handlers this time.

His campaign could never rise above the gutter, and hung itself around a few constantly repeated lies and personal smears and clung desperately to the biggest failure to protect the homeland in the history of our nation, the tragedy of 9/11, as a desperate effort to scare people into not so much voting for the President’s re-election, but making them too afraid to consider change.

And so a mainly wooden, northeastern, left-leaning moderate at the very least almost – if not actually – cleaned the clock of a sitting president in time of war. If Bush had had any success while in office and run a half way decent campaign, the election would not have been close.

As for the ‘values’ vote, that term, of course, is being happily misused, just as labels like “liberal” are constantly misused with glee. First off, the ‘values’ vote the media is talking about is truly the amoral, overly self-righteous hypocritical bigot vote. Hating gays while approving of killing children with increased air pollution is not a ‘values’ vote. Just because people claim to have ‘moral values’ obviously doesn’t mean it. The actual values vote was split between the parties, as some people on each side put what were truly matters of moral principle – for some, standing up against abortion, for others, standing up against the killing of innocents through horrible environmental policy and horrible acts of war – before other issues in choosing their candidate.

And, as has been pointed out, that even the self-righteous hypocritical, “We have values,” voters did not do anything so much more massive than they have done in the past, turning out, when the numbers are looked at, in about the same proportion as usual.

What did help President Bush – in fact, what has been his most important base – was a group the non-M/I media pretends doesn’t even exist: the proudly amoral vote, which also can be referred to as the ‘bad boy’ vote. This is the central strength of the Bush coalition. The guys who say, “My Hummer is going to give people asthma and make global warming happen sooner? Cool, I’ll buy two.” The people who say, “We tortured people in Iraq? Great, I just wish I could have helped out.” The ones who said, “I don’t care if we lied to attack Iraq just so we could take the oil – as long as I get cheap oil, I really don’t care.”

Yes, these are the people the rest of the media pretend don’t exist – and that is exactly what these ‘proudly amorals’ love so much. They get to be this s my yet, at the same time, brag that they are the truly righteous ones, the ones with ‘values.’ They boastingly call themselves ‘conservatives,’ by which they mean ‘the ones with values,’ and then sit around insulting anyone who takes a moral stand on any issue. These people were the true base that gave Bush any chance of competing at all.

They love the fact that their news stations and President lie, because they get away with it. It’s great fun for them. They love that they get to claim to be pious while their Vice President swears on the floor of the Senate like a school yard punk. Most of all, they love that they can do or say whatever they want and yet still be dubbed the good ones, the moral ones, and still win. This is President Bush and his base, and the only correct label to call them is Machiavellian anarchists, people who truly take pride in not having respect for laws or treaty, but instead just like the laws of “the strongest rules” and “might makes right.” Treaties, international conventions, the Cons ution, forget it if they stand in their way. Polluting kids lungs? Waa waa waa, taunt people who care about such wimpy things. Racism? You bet it’s fun, even more fun to do when people let you pretend you are not doing what you are doing.

This has been to key for the GOP, and this is what has led our nation in the direction it has gone – even if the rest of the media doesn’t want to acknowledge that these people not just exist, but are a huge segment of our population.

So to sum up: People who believe our elections should have integrity are simply good Americans doing their duty. George W. Bush’s victory was miniscule and questionable. John Kerry – and his wife – ran a campaign that can be critiqued, but so did President Bush. And it was not the values vote but the 'proudly amoral' vote, the Machiavellian anarchists, who were Bush's strongest core of support.

Well there you have it, the actual world – and the one the rest of the media refuses to or is incapable of – or, more accurately, deliberately avoids – acknowledging.

That’s okay, this is why we exist. Somebody has to put truth and what is best for America above political spin and ratings. Somebody has to speak from America’s True Voice.

Moderate Independent

[smackdaddy11]

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Arts/Entertainment
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Elections 2004
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Gee. Looks like a pretty independent site to me.

I've read your garbage here and normally I just ignore your simpleton at ude of the world, but this is just insane.

Here is an article from a MSM site discussing the exit polling with exeutives of the MSM. We all know how the MSM just loves the prez.

http://slate.msn.com/id/2109186/

In Defense of Exit Polls
You just don't know how to use them.
By Martin Plissner
Posted Thursday, Nov. 4, 2004, at 8:07 AM PT


Four years ago Dan Rather famously declared that when CBS proclaims a winner on Election Night, "You can take it to the bank." Tuesday night Dan knew better than to offer up another such hostage to the gods of chance, but he might as well have. For neither he nor anyone at the other networks made a single call that was not good as gold. So, why are we hearing so much noise about "flawed" and "wildly inaccurate" exit polls in this year's election? Not because of anything heard from the people who commissioned them, who if anything were cautious to a fault.

Back in the 1960s, when the networks first began projecting winners state by state, they had to wait for real votes, even in safe states, before they made a call. In 1980, however, NBC, without any notice to the others, changed the rules. They used exit polls—scientifically sampled surveys of voters leaving their polling stations throughout Election Day—to make a bunch of calls in states where the polls closed at 8 p.m., before any votes were counted. This method enabled NBC a few minutes later to post a triumphant "Reagan elected" graphic which no compe or could match for hours. Jobs at the other networks were suddenly in jeopardy.

By the 1982 off-year elections, every network had exit polls in every state. They raised Election Night budgets to the point by the end of the decade where none of the networks could afford them on their own. Starting in 1990, they formed a succession of pool operations, the latest of which, National Election Pool, made its debut Tuesday night—and, like its predecessor, the now-defunct Voter News Service, was summarily denounced that night for getting key states wrong and making John Kerry appear the presumptive winner.

What happened?

It's important to realize that nobody involved with exit polls ever regards them as precision tools. They have many imperfections. The pollsters who work outside the polling stations often have problems with officials who want to limit access to voters. Unless the interviews have sampled the entire day's voters, the results can be demographically and hence politically skewed. Finally, it is of course a poll, not a set of actual recorded votes like those in the precinct samples collected after the polls close. People who know what they're doing do not rely on exit polls to draw conclusions about a close race. They also look at models, voter turnout, and other data, and they consult their guts.

The two men who run the current NEP pool (one of whom is a close friend) have between them half a century of making judgments on whether the margin between the candidates in a particular state exit poll is close enough to declare a winner. They have never in their lives made a mistake in doing so. In 30 years' Election Night experience of my own, I know of only one case in which a network had to retract a call that was based on exit-polling.

And indeed on Tuesday, the network experts used exit polls as they're supposed to. Exit-poll surveys in some 29 states showed margins for George Bush or John Kerry great enough to conclude that the chances the leading candidate losing was essentially zero. On that basis, when the polls closed in those states and before any votes were counted, 16 of them were placed in the president's corner and 13 in the senator's. They tended to be places like Kansas and Rhode Island.

In quite a few of other states, though, the exit polls were less conclusive. That's where the trouble came in.

About 4 p.m., the pool statisticians met with the network reps and gave them a rundown on the exit-poll surveys and indicated which ones might be called when the polls closed (the 29 above) and which ones to be wary about. The networks were advised against drawing any conclusions from the second group and to air none of them. They followed that advice.

But while these figures never got on the air, they did get around. I have a rather long list of Web sites at which you could find early survey figures from the states that the networks agreed not to go near until they had real votes. Slate, for example, had these numbers up early:

Florida
Kerry 50
Bush 49

Ohio
Kerry 50
Bush 49

Pennsylvania
Kerry 54
Bush 45

Wisconsin
Kerry 51
Bush 46

Michigan
Kerry 51
Bush 47

Minnesota
Kerry 58
Bush 40

Nevada
Kerry 48
Bush 50

New Mexico
Kerry 50
Bush 48

North Carolina
Kerry 49
Bush 51

Colorado
Kerry 46
Bush 53

On this scoreboard, Kerry has the larger number in all "trifecta" states (Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania) decreed by every certified pundit as the key to victory in '04. In the second tier of battleground states Kerry has the better numbers overall. Shortly after these numbers were public, a friend in Dallas called and offered me heavy odds on Kerry. He owes me a hundred bucks. Thanks, Slate.

As it happens, Kerry did carry Pennsylvania. In Ohio he lost by two points instead of winning by one point.* Far from being wildly off the mark, that variance is about par for the course, or even under par, for a mid-afternoon reading of an exit poll. Indeed, Tuesday's exit-poll numbers were no more off the mark than were those of four, eight, or 12 years ago.

That's why the people who bought and paid for this intelligence kept it to themselves. Bill Wheatley, an NBC executive who understands these things, told the New York Times Wednesday that early afternoon numbers from an exit poll are "junk." Slate and the other Web sites on which these numbers appeared Tuesday afternoon have every right in the world to get them however they can and publish them. But it's hard to pin the blame for the dissemination of these numbers on those who tried so hard to keep them secret.

In one respect the networks do share some guilt. On their own Web sites, as soon as the polls closed, several of them posted the entire questionnaire from the exit poll—including percentages on the horse-race. They did this without regard to whether a winner had been called. Some bloggers concluded that those numbers had the imprimatur of the network experts and passed on to the entire Internet apparent conclusions that the networks had in fact wisely declined to endorse on the air.

But the real problem is not that the exit polls were wrong. They were about as accurate as they usually are. The problem was that in the age of the Internet the exit polls were being seen by thousands of people who didn't know how to read them. Like any sophisticated weapon, they are dangerous in the hands of the untrained.
Correction, Nov. 4, 2004: This article originally said that Kerry lost Florida by two points. In fact, Kerry lost Florida by five points. Return to the corrected sentence.


Martin Plissner is former executive political director of CBS News and the author of The Control Room—How Television Calls the Shots in Presidential Elections.

[Useruser666]

Wow that's a lot of reading. May I be excused my brain is full?

[Nbadan]

15 Important Questions that need to be answered by those who doubt the accuracy of exit polls...

1. Why are exit polls used throughout the world to monitor elections?

2. Why are exit polls considered to have been wrong in this election?

3. Mitofsky, the original exit pollster, has been doing them for 25 years. He must be doing something right. After all, isn't this how he makes his living?

4. If exit polls are worthless, why are they even used at all?

5. Why is it that exit polls are always considered to be very accurate - until Bush started running?

6. How can it be that 41 out of 51 state exit polls ALL understated the Bush vote tally? With 16 them beyond the margin of error?

7. How is it that Rove was the FIRST ONE TO KNOW that the exit polls were "wrong"? Does he do his own exit polling?

8. Why did VNS refuse to release exit poll results on the day of the 2002 elections?

9. Why is it that the motives of Democrats who were exit-polled are questioned whereas those who count the votes of the touchscreens and optical scanners are considered to be trustworthy?

10. How come exit polls have been correct to within 1/10th of one percent in the last three German elections?

11. How is it that the TV networks used exit polls over the last 40 years to call presidential elections, and were always right on the money?

12. Why did the networks call FL initially for Gore (correctly, based on exit polls) and then wrongly reverse the call to Bush in 2000? Could it have been due to the 16,022 Gore votes in Volusia that were mysteriously dropped from the Gore column (and given to third party candidates) by what Dan Rather at the time called a "computer glich", but which we now know was due to a Diebold "problem"? Or was it because 175,000 minority voters left the polls thinking their punched card votes for Gore would count? Or both?

13. Why is it that in 41 of the 51 states, the vote tallies would move from the exit polls favorably to Bush and only 10 would move to Kerry - and not ONE a battleground state?

14. IS THIS MASSIVE MOVE TO BUSH FROM THE EXIT POLLS JUST A MAGNIFICENT COINCIDENCE?

15. What is the probability that in 16 out of 51 states, the Bush tallies would deviate BEYOND THE MARGIN OF ERROR from the Bush exit polls - AND ALL IN FAVOR OF Bush - WITH NOT ONE DEVIATION IN FAVOR OF KERRY? Hint: you will find the answer in another thread. Be prepared to be shocked.

[smackdaddy11]

Amswering all above questions with this:


But the real problem is not that the exit polls were wrong. They were about as accurate as they usually are. The problem was that in the age of the Internet the exit polls were being seen by thousands of people who didn't know how to read them. Like any sophisticated weapon, they are dangerous in the hands of the untrained.

Also, the EARLY numbers were wrong. I find no where in article where they are using the ENDING numbers.

I guess you feel leaking the early numbers is O.K. since it showed Flipper ahead.