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Midland-Odessa, the ignorant/desert/western/ you/kiss my butt/culture-less culture that "nourished" young dubya.
L.V. “Butch” Foreman, a member of the Ector County school board in Odessa, Texas, has three words for parents who say the district’s Bible course crosses the line: “kiss my butt.” Said Foreman
“If they don’t have children in the class, they can kiss my butt,” Foreman said. “They’re just looking to impose their beliefs and their views on everybody, and we don’t put up with that crap out here.”
If the plaintiffs did have children enrolled in the classes, then Foreman said he would tell the students to drop the class and take another course since it’s an elective.
The ACLU has filed a lawsuit over this. The program is based on views from Jesse Helms, Tony Perkings, and has the support of Chuck Norris.The ACLU claims it is like teaching a Sunday School Class right in the school room. It does not present the Bible objectively, but teaches it as history.
More about Chuck Norris involvement.
Unbeatable Martial-Arts Thespian Lends Fist to Bible-in-Schools Campaign
Chuck Norris, star of TV’s “Walker, Texas Ranger” as well as films including “Missing in Action” and “Delta Force 2,” and his wife Gena have joined the board of directors of the National Council on Bible Curriculum in Public Schools (NCBCPS):
“We receive a lot of requests to get behind a lot of things, but it took us only a few minutes to know that we were to stand behind this important work,” the Norrises said. Mr. and Mrs. Norris are featured in a popular television public service announcement that encourages citizens to bring the Bible back to America’s public schools as an available elective course of study. The announcements are aired on several national networks."
The Norris announcements inform viewers that they can call the National Council on Bible Curriculum in Public Schools (NCBCPS) to receive information on how any citizen can help their local school board implement the NCBCPS curriculum.
As People For the American Way Foundation’s research has revealed, the goal of NCBCPS is not to improve students’ understanding of history and literature, but to promote Christian doctrine in public schools – unlike other Bible curricula such as the Bible Literacy Project. In fact, a Florida court found that NCBCPS taught religious matters – such as miracles and Jesus’ resurrection – as historical fact, and held its New Testament section in violation of the separation of church and state.
"Kiss my butt" is actually from a passage in the Bible. Deut. 21:10 (rough translation)
Midland-Odessa, the ignorant/desert/western/ you/kiss my butt/culture-less culture that "nourished" young dubya.
True story -
When I worked for Airgas we had alot of accountsin Midland/Odessa (and amarillo, and SA, and Washington and 1/ the country.... but I only dealt with Texxas).
I reguarlar had to call a handfull of companies there because thier accounts were always messed up, payments late, remit advice unreadable etc.
EVERYSINGLE time i got off the phone - instead of saying "thankyou" or "have a nice day" they would say "Blessings" or "you have a blessed day".
huh?
now I am actually christian, but I started responding "may gaia keep you" just because the blessing was gettign on my nerves.
I think that religion shouldn't be taught in schools like that, but honestly, if it's an elective at a school and kids don't have to take that class to graduate, what's the big deal?
, every college campus in the country has religious studies type courses, where's the outrage over that?
What were people expecting out of a Bible course, anyway?
Maybe they put up with that crap over in Afghanistan, but not around here.
“They’re just looking to impose their beliefs and their views on everybody, and we don’t put up with that crap out here.”
Self-righteous dumb Foreman is imposing HIS religious views on tax-financed public school students.
It's funny how liberals act as if biblical values will bring the next Auschwitz.
that's exactly how they act. great insight
Tax dollars at work.
More big government
Maybe a class in religion wouldn't be such a bad idea, cause we sure aren't learning it in Church...
Washington POstThe United States is the most religious nation in the developed world, if religiosity is measured by belief in all things supernatural -- from God and the Virgin Birth to the humbler workings of angels and demons. Americans are also the most religiously ignorant people in the Western world. Fewer than half of us can identify Genesis as the first book of the Bible, and only one third know that Jesus delivered the Sermon on the Mount.
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The condition Prothero describes in Religious Literacy is unquestionably one manifestation of a more general decline in the public's cultural and civic knowledge. According to polls conducted by the National Cons ution Center, only one third of Americans can name even one of the rights guaranteed by the First Amendment. Is it any more startling that only one third can identify the preacher of the Sermon on the Mount?
A 2005 survey by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life found that nearly two-thirds of Americans endorse the simultaneous teaching of creationism and evolution in public schools. How can citizens know what creationism means, or make an informed decision about whether it belongs in classrooms, if fewer than half can identify Genesis? No doubt the same proportion of Americans think that Thomas Edison said, "Let there be light."
Approximately 75 percent of adults, according to polls cited by Prothero, mistakenly believe the Bible teaches that "God helps those who help themselves." More than 10 percent think that Noah's wife was Joan of Arc. Only half can name even one of the four Gospels, and -- a finding that will surprise many -- evangelical Christians are only slightly more knowledgeable than their non-evangelical counterparts."
Some people must prefer faith to knowledge.
Doh!
Again, what's the big deal exactly? UT, A&M, and Tech are all publically funded state ins utions, and all teach religious courses.
I thought that many parts of the Bible could be considered as historical record. Now if they are proselytizing, that's obviously another matter.
The Bible is the most popular book in the history of humanity. I've never understood why public schools in the Western world have to pretend it doesn't exist.
Particularly when there have been stories of students having to read the Qur'an, etc. I guess religion in our schools is okay as long as it's not Christianity...
My problem with this is that religion isn't based on fact, it's based on personal beliefs. If we are going to have a class on one niche of religion - Christianity, then it should be centered around a philosophical debate about the origins of the religion and what it means to be a Christian, but that's not what the Christian wahabi want. They want to teach intelligent design and that the earth is only 6000 years old.
A course of study on the Bible has value for it's historic, literary and cultural influence on Western Civilization. You can take a course in classical Greek Mythology without it being recruitment for Pantheism, why not the Bible?
Teaching Christianity as the One True Religion to the exclusion of all other religions isn't an academic, teaching that the Bible is historically, scientifically accurate isn't academic, it's bull . A tax-payer funded public school promoting Christianity violates separation of church and state.
Teaching about Christianity and other religions, the development of religions and religious thought, comparing religions, etc, are legitimate academic subjects already taught in many universities, private and public.
These ing fascist, self-righteous, retrogressive, kiss-my-butt-in-the-the-name-of-Christ "Christians" already have all the Churches and charter schools and Bible schools and Liberty and Oral Roberts universities, why do the insist on forcing their Christian propagandazing into public schools? The ing country is going nuts.
I agree.
Such a class would have to walk a very fine line, but has value academically.
"to walk a very fine line"
Given that the teachers of "Christian" classes would probably be Bible-obsessed assholes, esp in TX where HS teachers are famously unqualified, such a line would violated more than respected. If kids want to follow Christianity, go to church or go to a (academically sub-standard) "Christian" charter school, etc, etc. Public schools, paid for also with Jewish/Hindu/atheist/agnostic tax dollars, don't teach/promote Christianity.
I see a lot of assumptions here about how the Odessa course teaches The Bible but no links or real testimony (for example, teaching The Bible as "historical fact.")
This is something that proponents would never admit to in public, but would be the underlying reality. This is the reason why I would probably oppose such a class personally if it were my kids in that school, unless I could go over the curriculum with a fine toothed comb, and audit the class on occasion.
Judging by the tone of "kiss-my-ever-loving-Christian-militant-butt", do you think they are talking about "fair and balanced" academic study of all religions? or courses proselytizing only Christianity?
With these "Christian" Bible-thumping assholes, assuming the worst is the assuming the most probable.
Last edited by boutons_; 05-30-2007 at 11:39 AM.
You mean like they teach global warming is going to kill
you and all the animals and flood the earth.
Then it shouldn't be too hard to find real evidence.
"Then it shouldn't be too hard to find real evidence."
Show me the evidence that the course syllabus covers all religions as academic subjects and that the school administrators have controls in place so that favoring one religion over another will be policed.
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