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and I am watching james get his but kicked by suns
Iverson brought a note from his mom to go home early.
and I am watching james get his but kicked by suns
I enjoyed the fact that Gino and TD were given a chance to rest... and that the bench can be this productive....
If the bench can keep this level of consistency on overall chemistry then the Spurs will be well rested and prepared for the playoffs....
64-18 isn't looking like such a wild prediction now, is it?
that is improbable. If SA starts out 16-4 like I predicted, then in order for them to win just 63 games, they must duplicate last year's great finish of 47-15....that is asking a of a lot.
<<<Predicted 65+wins with health. Where is the ing thread I predicted it in at?
It was the one asking for this years outrageous predictions...someone needed to archive it. But anyway...
It will happen. When teams hit the plateau the Spurs are playing at now they seldom slow down...it'd be one thing if they were a fluke, an inexperienced team, or a team that plays a gimmicky style of ball...but the Spurs are rock solid and experienced at the right positions..and Pop looked like we just got eliminated from the playoffs in his post game....they will only get better as time goes by...and I'm expecting them to have an even stronger second half than usual.
You gotta realize..it wasn't that long ago that Utah and Seattle were winning 64 games in a season...and the Spurs are better than those teams were.
I figure they are a lock to set the team record...I won't be surprised if they hit 67 wins and perhaps they might even surprise all of us and pull off 70...
Who is going to stop them?
That's why you sig it yourself.
Do you realize how difficult it is to win 65 games, let alone 70? The Spurs always have their hot streaks and solid defense that wins them 52-55 games even if the offensive is erratic.I figure they are a lock to set the team record...I won't be surprised if they hit 67 wins and perhaps they might even surprise all of us and pull off 70...
Who is going to stop them?
What makes you think they have a chance at 70 games? In order to even come close to that mark they would need to basically be the BEST offensive team in the league.
Can you honestly see that happening? The Best offense? Be realistic.
The Spurs will hit a slump at some point, but the way they've played the last five games about the only team that I could even see slowing them down is Phoenix, and I still like our chances.
The scary thing is Brent Barry isn't even hitting his shots yet.
well, he isnt consisntent should be the term.
Whats great??
Is they can improve.
Nikos...did you read WTF I said? First of all 20 year old, I am aware of how hard it is to do...especially for a team like the Spurs...I did get to see first hand the only team to do so. If you notice...I said maybe they will surprise us all...
I don't expect 70 wins...you don't expect 70 wins...no one expects 70 wins...do I believe it is in the realm of possiblity? It's in the upper stratosphere of possiblity for this team to pull it off
The things that I think it takes...
1.Consistency - One of the Spurs strongest traits.
2.Defense - Of course.
3.Veteran experience. Guys with lots of playoff experience who are used to being challenged. Even the young guys on the Spurs have this experience. Parker has already been through the wars. Spurs got it...they've got the young legs to do it, yet there is essentially no situation these guys haven't faced yet.
4.Depth - to win that many games you have to be able to put out your best performance night in and night out...you have to have team that gets lots of rest and doesn't get worn down. This is deepest Spur team in history...we've got actual guys that could be playing on our team right now sitting on the DL...in fact I think all of them could be getting minutes on a less deeper team. Spurs have it.
5. Multiple Superstars. Like two franchise players and some complementary stars. A superstar in his prime and a supporting cast that knows him. Got it. IMO Gino serves as a second franchise player on this team..if Duncan is having an off night Manu can carry this team.
6.Luck...this includes catching teams on off days, in slumps, winning some games you should lose on last second shots... and staying healthy, I mean the entire team staying healthy...cross your fingers because I can't gurantee this one. But I do think we have the personnel to help us with our luck.
And in addition...
...it would take quite a few win streaks of around 18 or 19 games to pull it off...like right now we'd need to have one...in order to pull it off....and then we'd need to follow that up with a 10 game streak or so....and then we'd need a strong second half like we had in 02-03 or last year...where we only drop 6 or 7 games in the second half...that part we have done before Nikos.
Are the Spurs capable of winning 18 or 19 games in a row multiple times in a season? Yes, the second half Spurs always are capable of pulling off very long win streaks...this is even with very stong teams like the Lakers and Kings floating around...Well those teams are not what they used to be and the Spurs are better than the past Spurs teams that have flirted with those types of streaks in the past...This team is right at their usual second half form already.
You have to realize this team won 57 games last year and had we not been one of the worst FT shooting teams in NBA history, not just in the league last season, in NBA history, we would have easily broken 60 wins...and that's with a ty, even by our usual standards, start....Duncan being injured multiple times, and Parker and Manu missing games as well.
Now as for your thing about offense being necessary.....I don't think you have to have the best offense in the NBA...but it does take a good offense and I do think the Spurs have one..in fact...It's a very versatile offense. IMO they've got the best guard rotation in the NBA..and I thought this before Beno started emerging like this, Barry + a more experienced Manu and Parker made me think that....I wasn't even counting on Beno. I think we also have the best bigman rotation in the NBA, and I think we have the best bench in the NBA. I think we're the best team in the NBA and I don't even think another team is close to us. That doesn't mean we're invincible...you never know when some team, like say Phoenix, will have your number...but to me this team is a powerhouse that has no weakness and I think the team stats are already starting to show this.
Do I expect them to win 70? no. Is it in the realm of possibility for them to do it? Yeah...essentially they need to have a first half like they usually have in the second half.
Last edited by whottt; 12-02-2004 at 01:22 AM.
First off, I am 22 years old and I know enough basketball, so please spare me with your age talk. If thats the best you can do, than that is weak.Nikos...did you read WTF I said? First of all 20 year old, I am aware of how hard it is to do...especially for a team like the Spurs...I did get to see first hand the only team to do so. If you notice...I said maybe they will surprise us all...
No, it isn't possible.I don't expect 70 wins...you don't expect 70 wins...no one expects 70 wins...do I believe it is in the realm of possiblity? It's in the upper stratosphere of possiblity for this team to pull it off
Sure, they have that EVERY year as long as Duncan has been on the team with Bowen and another shot blocker next to him. They would be elite on defense with Duncan, Rasho, Bowen and any other combo of players, or at least Top 5.1.Consistency - One of the Spurs strongest traits.
2.Defense - Of course.
They have experience to win a le and a substancial amount of games. That doesn't mean they have a chance at 70.3.Veteran experience. Guys with lots of playoff experience who are used to being challenged. Even the young guys on the Spurs have this experience. Parker has already been through the wars. Spurs got it...they've got the young legs to do it, yet there is essentially no situation these guys haven't faced yet.
Thats nice, but depth alone does not mean a team can win 70. You better have a great offense and defense, and someone other than Duncan has to be extremely consistent on the offensive side. We are still waiting on Parker for this. There are plenty of nights where the offense just goes stale. It is been solid so far thus season but has a lot of room for improvement.4.Depth - to win that many games you have to be able to put out your best performance night in and night out...you have to have team that gets lots of rest and doesn't get worn down. This is deepest Spur team in history...we've got actual guys that could be playing on our team right now sitting on the DL...in fact I think all of them could be getting minutes on a less deeper team. Spurs have it.
Where is the other franchise player besides Duncan? I do not see see one? Can Parker become it in a year or so? Gino is a very good support player, but he himself even admits his stats will 'normalize' and TP should become the second scorer. I guess he is not confident yet in his ability to be a consistent scorer, or a guy who can take more shots and assume more scoring resposbility. He has done well so far, but you know at some point he is going to start defering more when he is not starting games ON FIRE, and TP wants to regain his scoring touch from 2002-03.5. Multiple Superstars. Like two franchise players and some complementary stars. A superstar in his prime and a supporting cast that knows him. Got it. IMO Gino serves as a second franchise player on this team..if Duncan is having an off night Manu can carry this team.
I hope it does stay healthy. Even if it does, I still cannot see 65 wins. That might not be completely impossible, but 70 sure as is.6.Luck...this includes catching teams on off days, in slumps, winning some games you should lose on last second shots... and staying healthy, I mean the entire team staying healthy...cross your fingers because I can't gurantee this one. But I do think we have the personnel to help us with our luck.
They did it before after starting slow or going on a mini-slumps. Duncan is no Jordan, and the Spurs aren't as good offensively as they are on defense. To win 65+ games you have to be GREAT on both ends at the same time....it would take quite a few win streaks of around 18 or 19 games to pull it off...like right now we'd need to have one...in order to pull it off....and then we'd need to follow that up with a 10 game streak or so....and then we'd need a strong second half like we had in 02-03 or last year...where we only drop 6 or 7 games in the second half...that part we have done before Nikos.
Doen't mean they will stay hot this early. And even if they do have a nice second half as always, they still would need to dominate up until February as well. Not an easy thing to do.Are the Spurs capable of winning 18 or 19 games in a row multiple times in a season? Yes, the second half Spurs always are capable of pulling off very long win streaks...this is even with very stong teams like the Lakers and Kings floating around...Well those teams are not what they used to be and the Spurs are better than the past Spurs teams that have flirted with those types of streaks in the past...This team is right at their usual second half form already.
I am aware of what they have done in the past. I was the one saying how TP and Duncans FT shooting hurt. So far TP still is struggling AND not getting to the line tht much. That has to change, or he will have to shoot 50% from the field from here on out to make up for it. Parker and Manu missed games, sure but a lot of teams have minor injuries and semi-critical ones. Spurs are not the only team. They still did not win the le, so its not like it matters what they COULD have won last season. They had a historically GREAT defense that couldn't hold up in the playoffs because their offense went stale at the wrong times. Sure they lost by a miracle, but I rather they would have won Game 4 against LA and crushed their hopes right there.You have to realize this team won 57 games last year and had we not been one of the worst FT shooting teams in NBA history, not just in the league last season, in NBA history, we would have easily broken 60 wins...and that's with a ty, even by our usual standards, start....Duncan being injured multiple times, and Parker and Manu missing games as well.
They cannot win 65+ if their offense isn't at least Top 5 in the league. 70 games is not possible, not even slightly. I would be SHOCKED if they came close to that. But I beleive you are wrong, for the Spurs to win significantly more games than previous seasons, the offense has to get better. Namely guys like Parker and Ginobili have to be solid and efficient.Now as for your thing about offense being necessary.....I don't think you have to have the best offense in the NBA...but it does take a good offense and I do think the Spurs have one..in fact...It's a very versatile offense. IMO they've got the best guard rotation in the NBA..and I thought this before Beno started emerging like this.
Do I expect them to win 70? no. Is it in the realm of possibility for them to do it? Yeah...essentially they need to have a first half like they usually have in the second half.
I tell you guys, they are at the beginning of a 34 game win streak, on their way to a 73-9 record. (break two records with one season...)
I am kidding, but oh the glory should that happen.
*makes note that calling Nikos a 20 year old pisses him off*
Ok now where were we?
First of all, I am not going to get into a heated debate with you on the Spurs chances of winning 70 games, since as I said, I don't think it'll happen. So you might as well calm down and put on Zorba the Greek. I do disgree that it is impossible to happen...in fact it's impossible for it to be impossible to happen. So suck on that.
I have a few problems with your reasons of why you say the Spurs won't do it...
First of all...would you care to explain to me why you say it is absolutely essential for a team to be a "top 5 offensive team" to be able to win 70 games? And what exactly do you mean by "top 5 offensive team"? Top 5 in PPG? In efficiency? In FG%?
The Spurs were one of the top offensive teams just two years ago in every category but PPG. They were #3 in efficiency and FG% and they were number 1 in point differential, assist differential and a bunch of stuff like that.
So what exactly drew you to that conclusion, since the only team to win 70 games was #1 in both PPG on offense and defense.
I see absolute no reason for you being hung up on the top 5 offense thing over the top 5 defense thing, unless you think it takes both and are counting on the Spurs being a top defensive team....that makes sense, but I'll say that won't be much of a factor...#1.I expect the Spurs to be a top offensive team. #2.There is no trend favoring offense or defense for teams that have won 65+ games, and if there is it favors defense, but really it favors just being very good at one.
Secondly...The only common elements I see in eras where teams experienced a huge upsurge in W-L...is that they expansion eras..kinda like baseball...The Bulls, Jazz and Sonics mid 90's huge W-L totals coincided with the addition of the Grizz and Raps. The early 80's upsurge coincided with the addition of the ABA teams...and the early 70 upswing coincided with another expansion era.
Guess what? We have an expansion team this season...and we have another team in our division that is playing like one. I think the general rule is that when there is one team that is very bad and 1 team that is very good...you see big win seasons.
You actually made some good points on guards I just don't agee with them...
I think Manu is a franchise 2 guard, I have been saying this for 2 years now. If you beat team of All Stars, that features two champion NBA coaches, with a team of nobodies, you can claim you are a ing franchise buddy...now you may not see Manu play that was...but that's because Manu isn't asked to play that way...he's admitted he's adapted his game to the Spurs...so don't ing diss Manu...I have never lost an argument yet when I was arguing something in favor of Manu..back the off or suffer the same humiliation that Segu, Chump, N Cali and Taruky suffered when they doubted him.
And I disagree that we won't have consistent guard play...I think we will have it...I was the guy ing about our guard rotation all of last season remember? But, Parker's play in the post season, Manu's confidence gained in the Olympics, and the addition of Brent Barry give me confidence to christen this the best guard roation in the NBA. We've got 3 guards that can score 20 points at the drop of a hat...that can all pass and score...Don't compare them to guard oriented teams and say they suck just because they go 1-7....I've seen Kobe and AI start 1-7 in a game about 200 times in their careers, they go on to get 20 more shots and so their numbers improve. We've got the best guard rotation in the NBA. Offensively and defensively...and Beno makes me feel even more confident in saying this.
And lastly...confidence...these guys know they can be the best team in the NBA, they have been the best team in the NBA before, they know they can beat any team in the NBA, and most importantly, they can beat any team in the NBA without playing their best. If not for the Lakers this team might have been looking at 2 or 3 additional championships...I won't say the Lakers owned them mentally...but they did rent them in a couple of seasons...that's gone. The only team that has stopped the Spurs is gone. Winning is a funny thing...once you hit a certain threshold of confidence it becomees surreal and you just start playing at a different level...I do not think the Spurs will all of a sudden stop believing they are the best team in the NBA this season...I think they will believe it...and I think they are going to have supercharged w-l record because of it. I don't think they'll win 70...but I do think they'll win at least 65 if they stay healthy.
67. That's the number.
PS: Great posts Whottttttt
Kori has the thread somewhere.
I know I was the first to say 65 this season.
LakerFan did not predict they would come back!
MadDoc
First of all, I am not going to get into a heated debate with you on the Spurs chances of winning 70 games, since as I said, I don't think it'll happen. So you might as well calm down and put on Zorba the Greek. I do disgree that it is impossible to happen...in fact it's impossible for it to be impossible to happen. So suck on that.
I am talking about offensive efficiency, as in POINTS PER POSSESSION not FG%.First of all...would you care to explain to me why you say it is absolutely essential for a team to be a "top 5 offensive team" to be able to win 70 games? And what exactly do you mean by "top 5 offensive team"? Top 5 in PPG? In efficiency? In FG%?
The Spurs were one of the top offensive teams just two years ago in every category but PPG. They were #3 in efficiency and FG% and they were number 1 in point differential, assist differential and a bunch of stuff like that.
So what exactly drew you to that conclusion, since the only team to win 70 games was #1 in both PPG on offense and defense.
http://www.basketballreference.com/l...m?lg=n&yr=2003 (2003-04 NBA efficiencies) -- #1 Defense, average on offense -- of course the defense was historically the best of all time, and if you combine their O and D ratings they were projected to win 65. But FT shooting squashed any chances of that.
http://www.basketballreference.com/l...m?lg=n&yr=2002
(2002-03) Efficiencies, Spurs #3 on defense, #6 on offense. Very balanced, but they were not the BEST in any area. They will need to have Great D and offensive as good, or better than the offense in 2002-03 to be a 65 win team this season.
http://www.basketballreference.com/l...m?lg=n&yr=1995
Check out the Bulls efficiencies when they won 72 in 1995-96. Statistically the numbers have to hold up to be a GREAT team. Its nice the Spurs have a great system and Tim Duncan -- but they need to become better on offense and keep similiar defense to be a GREAT NBA team of all time as far as regular seasons go.
It favors BALANCE. The Old Bulls teams had elite offensive teams efficiency wise and elite defensive teams (although not as good as the Spurs of this era). Spurs have had elite defense and good offense depending on the year. In 2001-02 when they had Drob and DA and a bunch of efficient shooters they were #3 on offense and #1 on defense. They also should have won 65 if you combined their O and D ratings. But they collapsed playoff time to the better and more healthy Laker team.I see absolute no reason for you being hung up on the top 5 offense thing over the top 5 defense thing, unless you think it takes both and are counting on the Spurs being a top defensive team....that makes sense, but I'll say that won't be much of a factor...#1.I expect the Spurs to be a top offensive team. #2.There is no trend favoring offense or defense for teams that have won 65+ games, and if there is it favors defense, but really it favors just being very good at one.
I don't like comparing the Spurs of now to teams of the 80s. I think we can compare teams today to teams like the Bulls, Jazz and Sonics of the 90s. I don't think teams are much weaker today, just a different set of talent at different positions. Less centers now, but much of the talent at the PF and SG/Swingman spots I don't think teams were any better in the 90s than the elite of the NBA in the late 90s and early 00's.Secondly...The only common elements I see in eras where teams experienced a huge upsurge in W-L...is that they expansion eras..kinda like baseball...The Bulls, Jazz and Sonics mid 90's huge W-L totals coincided with the addition of the Grizz and Raps. The early 80's upsurge coincided with the addition of the ABA teams...and the early 70 upswing coincided with another expansion era.
Still tough to win 65, expansion teams or not. Those Bulls teams could have won 67-68 even if they were placed in the early 90s as well. The 91-92 Bulls actually did win 67, and I don't think that team was better than the 95-96 Bulls.Guess what? We have an expansion team this season...and we have another team in our division that is playing like one. I think the general rule is that when there is one team that is very bad and 1 team that is very good...you see big win seasons.
We don't know how good Manu is. We can go by what we see him doing in the NBA, on the Spurs. If he is going to make comments like "my stats should normalize and TP is better suited to be the second scorer" then that shows he probably doesn't have confidence to be a 16-17ppg scorer on this team. He still has his nights where he barely takes 7 shots, and he still has nights where he is a non-factor on offense. Yes his all around game is there, but the team needs his scoring down the road. Unless they want to platoon 7-8 players around Duncan and have them all playing 25mpg except Tony Parker.You actually made some good points on guards I just don't agee with them...
I think Manu is a franchise 2 guard, I have been saying this for 2 years now. If you beat team of All Stars, that features two champion NBA coaches, with a team of nobodies, you can claim you are a ing franchise buddy...now you may not see Manu play that was...but that's because Manu isn't asked to play that way...he's admitted he's adapted his game to the Spurs...so don't ing diss Manu...I have never lost an argument yet when I was arguing something in favor of Manu..back the off or suffer the same humiliation that Segu, Chump, N Cali and Taruky suffered when they doubted him.
I hope your right. But Parker needs to start scoring better from here on out. He needs to be more efficient. And Manu needs to stop taking 5-6 shot attempts a game if he is going to become a better player and more assertive than last season. Otherwise in the playoffs he is going to settle in a role where scoring 12ppg is OK. Last season in the playoffs he had very good numbers against LA, but no one noticed. No one would even think that Manu had a good series against LA, the only one who is mentioned in that series was Devin Brown. When the playoffs come around Parker and Manu need to step up as scorers and all around players. Just merely filling a role where they play hard defense and get hot once in a while is probably not going to cut it. More assertiveness and offensive consistency is needed.And I disagree that we won't have consistent guard play...I think we will have it...I was the guy ing about our guard rotation all of last season remember? But, Parker's play in the post season, Manu's confidence gained in the Olympics, and the addition of Brent Barry give me confidence to christen this the best guard roation in the NBA. We've got 3 guards that can score 20 points at the drop of a hat...that can all pass and score...Don't compare them to guard oriented teams and say they suck just because they go 1-7....I've seen Kobe and AI start 1-7 in a game about 200 times in their careers, they go on to get 20 more shots and so their numbers improve. We've got the best guard rotation in the NBA. Offensively and defensively...and Beno makes me feel even more confident in saying this.
Sure they are confident. But at the end of the season they need to have the same confidence that they can score AND play an all around game. Defense and Duncan are not going to get the le alone. Offensive consistency around Duncan could easily bring the team a le. I am pretty sure the defense can hold its own when it has to, but none of it will matter if Parker has one of those cold streaks, and Manu is still taking his normal 7 or 8 shots because its the only ROLE he knows on this team.And lastly...confidence...these guys know they can be the best team in the NBA, they have been the best team in the NBA before, they know they can beat any team in the NBA, and most importantly, they can beat any team in the NBA without playing their best. If not for the Lakers this team might have been looking at 2 or 3 additional championships...I won't say the Lakers owned them mentally...but they did rent them in a couple of seasons...that's gone. The only team that has stopped the Spurs is gone. Winning is a funny thing...once you hit a certain threshold of confidence it becomees surreal and you just start playing at a different level...I do not think the Spurs will all of a sudden stop believing they are the best team in the NBA this season...I think they will believe it...and I think they are going to have supercharged w-l record because of it. I don't think they'll win 70...but I do think they'll win at least 65 if they stay healthy.
Last edited by Nikos; 12-02-2004 at 12:43 PM.
Holy , whottt v Nikos. I hope there's enough bandwith.
Your the one who posts 1000 times a week, and under different handles nontheless.Holy , whottt v Nikos. I hope there's enough bandwith.
Why bother to post in this thread Marcus if you are not even going to read the takes?
Settle down can't you take a joke? Geez.
Nikos...you just don't think the guards are as good as I think they are. That's the major difference, and I also think that you aren't paying enough attention to the fact that our traditional rivals...Minny, Dallas, Sac, and LA...are all going through transition periods or feeling the effects of age....that because our D is so ahead of schedule our offense will be equally ahead of schedule. I think you have a statistical rigidness to your analysis that doesn't fit the game of basketball as well as you think it does...and your analysis also seems to be totally oblivious to the external factors at play in this season...as well as the human factor of the game.
I know our guards are as good as I think they are...I am a hardass on guard evaluations in case you haven't noticed. With the rotation we have I don't think we need a guard who averages 20 PPG...We have 3 that can do it on any given night...and who can average up 10- 15 a night.
And I totally disagree with your valuation of Manu...I guess you and I define "franchise" player in slightly different terms...I don't feel Manu has to be the second best scorer on the team to qualify for that label...Manu knows how to win games and make others better...that's my definition of a franchise player...and there is absolutely no reason to downplay what he did in international ball...because the game he kicked ass was against American players, including one of his own teamates, and a coach who knows his game. Besides, who says that just because Parker should be the second scorer(which I agree with)...that Manu can't score? Manu's point totals are not that low for the amount of minutes he plays and the amount of shots he takes.... it's not like he's going to play the same game every night...
Our oldest and toughest rivals are all having issues...our guard rotation has not played as well as it is going to...and we are still 12-3, we are not as good as we are going to be...yet our 12 wins aren't the fluke...2 of our 3 losses are. And you totally miss the boat on the point I made with expansion teams....it's a fact...and it wasn't intended to be a cross era comparison...more like a universal basketball rule...
I don't think the team is going to win 70...but nothing is impossible for this team in this season Nikos...and that's what you aren't able to see through your strict adherence to statistical groupings with no awareness of the external factors at play in this season. Do you really think that if the Spurs are # 6 in efficiency instead of #5, that some cosmic force is going to come down and tell them they are not allowed to enter the promised land of 65- 70 wins? It just doesn't work that way. And again, our offense is going to get a lot better.
I honestly don't see any reason whatsoever to prevent this team from winning 65 games. This team is definetly better than any Spurs team at this point in the season, and there is still an incredible amount of improvement that can be made.
I'm too lazy to write papers like Whottt and Nikos, but I side with Whottt on this one.
More like its impossible to win 70 for this team.I don't think the team is going to win 70...but nothing is impossible for this team in this season Nikos...and that's what you aren't able to see through your strict adherence to statistical groupings with no awareness of the external factors at play in this season. Do you really think that if the Spurs are # 6 in efficiency instead of #5, that some cosmic force is going to come down and tell them they are not allowed to enter the promised land of 65- 70 wins? It just doesn't work that way. And again, our offense is going to get a lot better.
I knew you were going to respond with that #5 or #6 efficiency comment. And I could have bet my life that you were going to respond with the comment "cosmic force...." above.
The bottom line is Manu and Tp are not consistent offensive threats. And if they don't become that by seasons end they won't be a good offensive team in this league. Maybe if the competetion completely sucks they can get by on pure defense and Duncan and some role players getting hot once in a while.
But the entire point is, to win 65+ you need to have a domianant offense AND defense like the old Bulls teams. That is the entire point.
The stats are just the icing on the cake and represent a good snapshot on how efficient the players really were. It is not the END ALL BE ALL, but it sure shows you who was doing well and who was underacheiving. So far TP is underacheiving. Manu is doing well on average and doing what he has always been doing for this team. Fine. But by seasons end, they BOTH better be consistent scorers, or the same inconsistincies will resurface as long as they face good competetion in the playoffs.
Being #5 or #6 is not the point. The point is being an elite offense team or damn close to it is what the Spurs need to accomplish to be a GREAT REGULAR season team.
You are the one who seems to point out all the positives about the team, the magic of Manu, the talent of Parker, the greatness of Horry, and so forth.....
All I am pointing out right now is the teams weaknesses that I think need to be addressed for them to be a great regular season team and championship material.
I watch the game and listen plenty. I know the intangibles that are involved in the game, but I also like pulling on statistics to reassure how good the players have really been. Its not everything, but it sure means something to me.
So you think the Spurs can win 65+ a le without Parker and Manu being consistent scorers. Is that what you are saying? Or are you so happy with the Spurs start you assume they will win 65+ cause of Duncan and the fact he has great role players?I'm too lazy to write papers like Whottt and Nikos, but I side with Whottt on this one.
Do you think the team has any flaws?
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