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Pump some iron while you're in jail, kid, and you too could be a governor someday.
http://www.wzzm13.com/news/news_arti...?storyid=76060
Grand Haven - A 13-year-old Grand Haven Township boy has been charged with one count of second degree criminal sexual assault and one count of first degree home invasion following an incident Saturday morning.
Ottawa County Sheriff's investigators say the teenager sexually assaulted an 18-year-old woman in a home on Crooked Tree Lane in Grand Haven Township around 11 a.m. Saturday.
Police caught up with the suspect in a park near Forest Park Drive, just after 4pm Saturday. Officers say before he was caught, he allegedly tried to sexually assault someone else.
The teenager lives in the same neighborhood as the first victim.
The boy has a history of sexual violence and was found guilty of fourth degree criminal sexual assault in 2006 for grabbing a 38 year old woman. Investigators say he was also suspended from school in 2006 for violating a school rule that was sexual in nature which included looking at sexually orientated websites and touching a staff member. In October of 2005 he was cited for exposing himself in public.
An Ottawa County Judge is requiring him to stay in the county's juvenile detention center until his next scheduled court date.
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holy.
Pump some iron while you're in jail, kid, and you too could be a governor someday.
Not surprising any more....
Please tell me you're talking about the charge and not the actual crime.
because most 13 year old boys sexually assault 18 year olds, grab 38 year olds, touch teachers, and expose themselves in public.
Not all such cases reach the media... but trust me, we are starting to witness the effects of 'internet pornography' on the internet generation.
Garbage in = garbage out.
Last edited by Phenomanul; 06-04-2007 at 09:48 PM.
So, is it
a) complete naïveté
or
b) willful self-deception
at play here?
That it is not surprising what teens at that age will do nowadays....
They murder, they rape, they steal, they commit fraud...
Some of you all are acting as if this were the first recorded instance of a 13 year old committing rape. It's not. Reprehensible? Certainly; but not surprising.
You remember that thread someone posted awhile back here in the club? About two 11 year olds having sex in their classroom in front of all of their elementary classmates?
Again, these are the effects of exposing them to sexual content at such young ages....
Internet porn is a vice just like smoking, drugs, gambling, or binge drinking. The chemical reactions that take place in the body during orgasms are just as addictive and can be detrimental at such ages - when they don't have the will power to show restraint.
If anybody remembers the Chappelle skit where the lady can read Men's minds, this 13-year old assaulter strongly reminds me of the kid in the elevator.
As far as I can tell, that's the position only you are taking.
Neither adolescents committing rape nor adolescents having consensual sex is anything new at all, and claiming that internet porn is a causative factor makes one look like a credulous hack with an enormous chip on one's shoulder.
In the good ol' days you yearn so clearly for, the boy's victim would be either killed, socially ostracized, or forced to marry him, and the boy himself would likely receive no punishment beyond said marriage.
You do realize that all the kid had to do in either CSC claim was play grab ass, right?
Don't be so naive.
Used to be that teens had to go outside their house to seek porn. Usually magazines... Now it is delivered straight into their rooms. You would be in the minority if you felt this has not affected children. Some things are not suited for their level of maturity as they are not mentally ready for such content.
You are confusing my stance if you feel my argument is purely against porn in general. Let adults do what they wish. They are old enough to be held accountable for their actions. But my point stands; children are detrimentally affected by exposure to porn. And again, it would be naive to ignore the relative ease by which porn can arrive to their eyes in today's society. It can arrive by unwarranted and unsolicited means (school-friends, internet popups, viruses etc...), as well as through parental negligence (be it accidental or technological ignorance) and through simple curiosity.
But make no mistake about it, though such a figure would be hard to physically sample I can almost guarantee with 100% certainty that the the mean age of exposure to porn has fallen over the years. The ease of technological delivery, such as the internet or PPV, though not necessarily the culprit is certainly the means.
Were this kid's sexual proclivities over the top? Certainly. He's probably still a rare instance of criminal sexual behaviour in his age group. Nevertheless I'm not surprised anymore by such headlines. Which is all I was trying to say with my initial comment.
Last edited by Phenomanul; 06-04-2007 at 11:03 PM.
Your point is a red herring. What we now call criminal sexual conduct (by people of any age, including adolescents such as the accused here) existed prior to the widespread dissemination of porn. Your anti-porn crusade is completely irrelevant to a discussion of the actions of this boy, and your willingness to talk in sweeping terms about the course of history in order to make some obscure point about porn, while completely ignoring the much broader context of the history of sexual behavior, sexual morality, and legal regulations on sex, is disingenuous.
Technically, second-degree CSC in Michigan would also have to involve one of the following (the home invasion probably qualifies as #4), but I generally don't buy "boys will be boys" as a defense for undisciplined behavior.You do realize that all the kid had to do in either CSC claim was play grab ass, right?
# weapon involved
# personal injury + force/coercion
# personal injury + victim incapacitated
# defendant/actor is in the process of committing another felony
I'm not talking about morality or ethics...
Again, can't I state that I'm not surprised anymore by such headlines? Is that so difficult to understand? If I elaborated on why I felt this way, it's still only my opinion.... a well substantiated one I would add, though it would be impossible to prove.
Generally, I agree with you, Bob. But we don't know exactly what this kid did in either case.
I can guarantee you this kid has lacked the supervision and dialogue necessary to form a healthy sexual behavior from the onset. Parents cry all the time about things like porn and rarely do they open a line of honest communication with their children. Most are just looking for someone else to blame as to why their kids are so ed up.
How is this kid looking at porn on a school computer? Where the are his parents?
Sure. But the "anymore" qualifier is bull , except ONLY with regard to the "headlines".
Just because it wasn't prosecuted (and hence not reported) doesn't mean it didn't happen.
That's very likely true.
Where does it say this kid raped anyone?
So if they aren't in the media, how do you know about them?
Let me see... back when I was in high school a student in one of our district's middle schools groped one of the teachers. I found out because the teacher happened to be the mother of one of my closest friends. It never became public; the school district dealt with it internally. They moved the student to a different school with a severe warning that further acts would not be tolerated. The parents actually reprimanded their son, instead of trying to defend his actions - which is what allowed the school district to take such a 'lenient' stance and not immediately turn the ordeal into a media circus.
In Monterrey Mexico, not even two years ago, a 13 year old was sentenced to prison for the rape of an 11 year old girl, and her subsequent murder (not to mention the fact that he also murdered the girl's older sister and younger brother). This one, of course did make the presses - granted that the U.S. audience is normally oblivious to what goes on outside of its borders.
A girl in her late teens was raped in Ireland in December of last year. Two 13 year old teens were charged with the incident. In that case like this one, the boys had previous history.....
Rape is nothing new. Abuse against women in all shapes and forms is a way of life in so many countries. Nevertheless, the age of the offenders is still a devastating thought to swallow. If it seems like there's more and more youngsters commiting violent crimes it's because that has become the case. We shouldn't be ignoring this fact. Does anyone really have to wonder that many of these kids come from broken homes? It is certainly not the rule, but definitely not the exception.
Look, children are growing up "smarter" about a lot of things, good and bad. It's the old "two-edged sword" syndrome i.e. the bad comes with the good. The blessings of advancements are also a curse. On top of that, they are constantly bombarded with sexual propaganda, graphic content, and lewd behaviour being promoted as 'cool' on TV and at school. They no longer have to struggle to obtain pornographic material as was the case when I was their age - it is readily available. Again, pornography is not meant for their eyes.
Let me pose the question this way; would a 10-13 year old who had only minimal knowledge of sex commit a violent sexual act? Not likely. The more they are desensitized to sex with increased sexual exposure the higher the probability that they will begin to engage in sexual acts. Of this group, maybe one in a thousand will have other issues that combined with strong sexual urges could lead to something more serious. One could make a case that the latter can't occur without the former having taken place (exposure to sexuality at such young ages). It's not a red-herring argument like Bob Lanier suggests. They are more intricately related than he or anyone else here who is denying a relationship is willing to admit.
Granted I realize that just because youngsters know more about sex, that it doesn't justify or explain why they commit sexual crimes such as rape. Nevertheless, such teens obviously have other issues that drive them to commit these crimes. The use of force, in particular, is a tell-tale sign that they know exactly what they are doing. We shouldn't be down playing such effects. Particularly because they have become more rampant and widespread.
Last edited by Phenomanul; 06-05-2007 at 01:35 PM.
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