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Agree completely. This is the Mayor's stance on this issue?
Recount.
165 Arrested In Immigration Sting
Duh! The "local" (read illegal immigrant) workers were in willfully and voluntarily in possession of stolen and fraudulent federal do ents. They are criminals too! This is on top of being in this country illegally to begin with.
, these people need to get a clue.
Agree completely. This is the Mayor's stance on this issue?
Recount.
If you live in San Antonio then you too live in a sanctuary city.
They just don't call it that. Police are not allowed to question
anyone about their citizenship status. It would hurt the police
in getting information about crime. Like it isn't a crime to be
here illegally. Of course they are registering and voting in
OUR elections. But that is okay, we shouldn't ask for ID to
register or vote. That would be racist. Horse hockey!
Ray it's a federal problem. Why should city's do the fed's job?
Since when is crime just a federal problem?
Bank robbery is a federal crime. Are you suggesting the SAPD shouldn't respond to bank alarms?
checking someone's status in regards to citizenship is a bit different than a bank robbery correct? I didn't realize enforcing our federal immigration laws fell on to local police departments. my bad.
Not necessarily.
But, first of all, your analogy is set up all wrong. I believe you meant to say, "being in a country illegally is a bit different than bank robbery," right? Because, your way -- you're comparing the officer's act of checking to that of a criminal's act of robbing.
Anyway, to the point, yes, being in a country illegally can be as bad or worse than bank robbery. Checking a person's "status in regards to citizenship" can result in knowledge that prevents crimes, worse than bank robbery, from happening.
All laws can be enforced in an officer's area of jurisdiction.
Federal, state, and local laws (and ordinances) can be enforced by the San Antonio Police Department within the city limits or extra-territorial jurisdiction of San Antonio.
Federal and state but, not local laws (and ordinances) can be enforced by State Police officers in San Antonio.
And, finally, federal laws but not state or local laws (and ordinances) can be enforced by federal law enforcement officers.
See how that works? Those at the lowest jurisdictional level have the most authority when enforcing the law. That some cities have decided to ignore federal law and become "sanctuary" cities is an affront to the rule of law.
Really, who pays the damn taxes? It is everyone's
problem, except yours.
I would love to see you at a movie lined up to get in
and let someone jumped the line. You would be
mad. Well think how the ones who are trying to do the
right thing. And how about the folks who have had their
iden y stolen by the illegals.
25 Reasons to Deport Illegal Aliens...
1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year.
http://tinyurl.com/zob77
2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such
as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school
education for children here illegally.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html
5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the
American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html
6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html
7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html
8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare &
social services by the American taxpayers.
http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html
9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused
by the illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html
10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two
and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their
children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the
United States.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...12/ldt.01.html
11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens
that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens
from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth,
heroine and marijuana, crossed into the U. S. from the Southern border.
Homeland Security Report:
http://tinyurl.com/t9sht
12. The National Policy Ins ute, "estimated that the total cost of
mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average
cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period."
http://www.nationalpolicyins ute.o...eportation.pdf
13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to
their countries of origin.
http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm
14. "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes
Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States".
http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml
15. Every day 12 Americans are murdered by an illegal alien.
Another 13 Americans are killed by uninsured drunk illegal aliens and
Eight American Children are victims of a sex crime committed by an
illegal alien each day! (Toto, we're not in Kansas anymore.)
http://tinyurl.com/2ungbu
16. Today, criminal aliens account for over 29 percent of prisoners in
Federal Bureau of Prisons facilities and a higher share of all federal
prison inmates. These prisoners represent the fastest growing segment of
the federal prison population.
Incarceration of criminal aliens cost an estimated $624 million to state
prisons (1999) and $891 million to federal prisons (2002), according to
the most recent available figure from the Bureau of Justice Statistics.
http://tinyurl.com/ahjkg
17. "Illegal Aliens and American Medicine". "Many illegal aliens harbor
fatal diseases that American Medicine fought and vanquished long ago,
such as drug-resistant tuberculosis, malaria, leprosy, plague, polio,
dengue and Chagas disease." The Journal of American Physicians and
Surgeons
http://www.jpands.org/jpands1001.htm
18. In 2002, HIV/AIDS was the third leading cause of death among
Hispanic men aged 35 to 44 and the fourth leading cause of death among
Hispanic women in the same age group. Most Hispanic men were exposed to
HIV through sexual contact with other men. Source (CDC):
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/fac...s/hispanic.htm
19. If enacted the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act (CIRA, S. 2611)
would be the most dramatic change in immigration law in 80 years,
allowing an estimated 103 million persons to legally immigrate to the
U.S. over the next 20 years -fully one-third of the current population
of the United States.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/wm1076.cfm
20. U.S. Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL) today unveiled an impact analysis
that shows the Senate immigration bill -should it become law - would
permit up to 217.1 million new legal immigrants into the United States
over the next 20 years, a number equal to 66 percent of the total
current population.
http://tinyurl.com/3cawk3
21. The number of illegal immigrants in the United States may be as high
as 20 million people, more than double the official 9 million people
estimated by the Census Bureau. 1/3/05
http://tinyurl.com/2rxtwm
22. Cases of Leprosy on The Rise In The U.S., The New York Times. "While
there were some 900 recorded cases in the United States 40 years ago,
today more than 7,000 people have leprosy.." Leprosy is an airbourne
virus, it can also be spread by touching and coughing.
http://tinyurl.com/3bnukp
23. Organizations Protesting Immigration Reform, State by State.
Won't you join in?
http://www.oregonir.org/Immigration_Reform_Orgs.htm
24. America Welcomes Illegal's Contagious Disease.
http://www.rense.com/general64/ill.htm
25. Mexico is the 4th Richest Oil Nation in the World.
http://tinyurl.com/35qbap
Illegal Alien Fact Sheet - Updated: December 10, 2006
http://tinyurl.com/skyf4
Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens which
translates to 4,380 Americans murdered annually by illegal
aliens
(Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa)
Thirteen Americans are killed by drunk illegal alien drivers for
another annual death toll of 4,745. That's 23,725 since Sept. 11,
2001.
(Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa)
Eight American children are victims of sexual abuse by illegal
aliens every day a total of 2,920 annually.
(Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa)
K-12 school expenditures for illegal aliens cost U.S. Taxpayers
$7.4 Billion a year
(US Rep.. Gary Miller)
Illegal aliens consume $3.7 Billion annually in Medicare and
Medicaid benefits since 40% of illegal aliens are on U.S. Welfare
(Federation for American Immigration Reform)
$1.6 billion is spent annually in prison costs to house, feed and
clothe illegal aliens who fill 32% of our federal and state prisons
(Fox News Channel O'Reilly Factor)
$10 billion dollars are sent back to Mexico annually by illegal
aliens (according to the Pew Hispanic Center), an amount which
now makes it Mexico's 2nd largest industry.
Leprosy, (Hansen's disease), was so rare in America that in 40
years only 900 people were afflicted. Suddenly, in the past three
years America has more than 7,000 cases of leprosy. Leprosy
now is endemic to northeastern states because illegal aliens and
other immigrants brought leprosy from India, Brazil, the
Caribbean, and Mexico
(Thomson American Health Consultants; 2003)
Tuberculosis was virtually absent in Virginia until in 2002, when
it ed a 17% increase, but Prince William County, just south
of Washington, D.C., had a much larger rise of 188%.
(American Medical Association (JAMA) June 2005)
Illegal aliens make up 32% of State & Federal Prison populations
(FNC O'Reilly Factor)
There are an estimated 240,000 illegal alien sexual predators
currently in the USA
(Violent Crimes Ins ute - May 2006)
Over 1,000,000 sexual crimes are estimated to have been
committed in the USA over the past seven years by illegal aliens
(Violent Crimes Ins ute - May 2006)
90% of all crime in Brooks County Texas is committed by illegal
aliens
(Brooks County Sheriff's Department April 2006)
In the Jan/Feb of 2006, of the 120,000 illegals caught in the
Laredo sector, 2,500 of them were from the Middle East!!!
A large, but unknown, number of al Qaeda terrorists and Chinese
nationals are infiltrating our country virtually anywhere they
choose from Brownsville to San Diego. One al Qaeda terrorist
was held for several weeks after being captured on our border
and is currently under FBI custody.
A large number of Islamic individuals have moved into homes in
Nuevo Laredo and are being taught Spanish to assimilate into
the local culture.
--unbelievable!
Texas Border Sheriffs have found uniform patches from an elite
group of Islamic suicide bombers
(Verified by Israeli intelligence)
The rate of non-Mexican aliens (or OTMs) and special interest
aliens (or SIAs aliens from so-called countries of interest )
apprehended on the northern and southern borders has increased
from 30,147 in 2003 to 44,614 in 2004.
- Congressman Tom Tancredo
By June 30, 2004, the number of SIAs had swelled 42.5% to
6,022 from "Countries of Interest" such as those the State
Department considers sponsors of terrorism (Cuba, Iran, Libya,
North Korea, Sudan, Syria) and others where militant Islam
simmers (Afghanistan, Egypt, Indonesia, Iraq, Jordan,
Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Somalia,
and Yemen).
--Department of Homeland Security
yep it's a federal problem
You guys are clueless.
Keep thinking you'll solve the problem by building walls or toughening the inmigration laws.
Isn't illegal border crossing way down in that area of San Diego where they built a wall?
Just needs to be a little longer...that's all.
Navin: Yeah that's fine. We take Mastercharge. Do you want a fill up, Mrs. Neusebalm?...And how about the folks who have had their
iden y stolen by the illegals.
No we are not clueless. All the laws in the world do no good unless we enforce them.
Build the fences where we can and have 100% monitoring and rapid response border agents. Controlling the border will have a dramatic effect. Problem is, there is no political will. Yes, it is costly. Far cheaper however than the billions spent annually in social programs for illegals.
Every illegal worker broke the laws by being here. Employers who knowingly higher them should be dealt with harshly.
Most illegal workers buy forged do ent. This is a felony. I say very stiff sentence unless they help prosecute those who do the forging.
Those who supply these forged do ents should be jailed for a long time when found.
From the linked KOIN article:
There is great deal of hatred toward this Mayor. Many of us Portland residents believe the elections here are rigged. Some things pass during election time that have clear opposition shown by polls.Portland Mayor Tom Potter says he's unhappy with how the raids were carried out.
Anyway, I've been hearing some things about this on local talk radio. American Staffing Resources only hires for Del Monte in this area. It was reported that a representative from it's home office said if the what the news looks like is real, to prosecute it's employees to the full extent of the law!
The article fails to report a few findings:
1) The workers are working in illegal, unsafe condition.
2) They were paid below minimum wage.
3) Children were also among the workers found, violating children labor laws.
Mayor Tom Potter supports this!
I heard an interview on an American who went to work there the next day. Del Monte had no problems finding legal citizens to work these jobs we Americans don't want... They didn't even have to pay more. Del Monte was paying the labor agency $15.00 per hour per worker. The workers only were paid $7.00 per hour and Oregon's minimum wage is $7.80 per hour.
How many people will work for $15.00 per hour?
Jobs Americans don't want?
Bull !
Yes you are clueless.
As long as the US is as rich as it is (and Europe the same, for that matter, they have inmigration problems too), and the rest of the World is poor, desperate people were continue to try to get into the States for a shot at a better life.
That doesn't mean we shouldn't try to control it.
, even during the greatest periods of immigration to America, we rounded them up on islands, innoculated them, did backgrounds, and -- if they didn't meet muster -- sent them back from whence they came or quarantined them until they died.
All the current amnesty proponents act like America has always just let people drift across its borders willy-nilly. Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, it wasn't until Democrats learned they could get these people into the polls on voting day that they became interested in their unfettered egress across our borders.
I'm not opposed to immigration. I'm opposed to illegal immigration.
"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin.
"But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here.
"Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all.
"We have room for but one flag, the American flag.
"We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...
and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."
Theodore Roosevelt, 1907
I'm also talking about illegal immigration.
It's like the famous war on drugs. You can pass the toughest laws in the land, spend billions of dollars trying to stop the drugs coming into America, through as many additcs/drug dealers in jail, but you are not going to solve the problem until you educate/cure the people/addicts in your own country.
You are trying to cure cancer with tylenol.
As long as there are drugs being consumed in America, there will be people smuggling drugs into America.
As long as there is a future in America, and no future, for many people, in their own countries, there will be illegal aliens in the USA.
I'm not against tougher immigration laws, all I'm saying is that it is not the solution.
1) Secure the borders.
2) Imprison those who hire illegal immigrants.
3) Imprison those who manufacture fraudulent identification for illegal immigrants.
4) Unelect idiot politicians like the Mayor of Portland, Oregon.
5) Discontinue any en lements to illegal immigrants.
6) Offer them a free ride back to Mexico.
They'll quit coming.
What you law-and-order right-wing types NEVER understand is that laws are useless if people don't want to obey them.
It never ceases to amaze me how people can equate the act of living here as a crime.... Whether people are citizens or not, we are all human beings. No one should be denied the right to live, the right to pursue a better life for themselves and their families. What ever happened to the ideals of liberty and freedom?
Americans have become rather greedy in their wealth and feel they are en led to a many number of things. Those right below middle class being the greediest of all. As far as I'm concerned, if you work then you deserved to get paid. Why not point the finger to a more bersome sector of society instead of targeting hardworking migrant workers as our society's ill?
Point it towards goverment free-loaders, and lazy bums who abuse the system; most of them citizens. Where's all the outcry to get them off their butts into the workforce? Oh I see, it's OK for them to ride the well-fare dollar 'cause at least they're citizens.... Please, a true citizen is one who contributes to the functionality of their society. And as far as I know, most migrant workers do their part to contribute to our agricultural industry, and other odd-jobs at the bottom of the labor triangle.
As a side note, the well-fare state exists to help out people in true need. Time and time again, however, we find that the people who are ransacking such funds are dishonest people who are cheating the system, people who know all the loop-holes, and know exactly how to earn that 'easy' buck.
Honest people - those who truly need this aid - are dissuaded by the red-tape onslaught generated by our policies and rarely get the aid they require. It's a system in need of a massive reconstruction. I guess we won't ever get to see such a program until we can instate a full-proof lie-detector exam that will weed out the scammers.
As far as immigration being a legal or illegal issue however... that demarcation has always bothered me. Yes, some immigrants are true criminals in the proper sense of the word (as in they have a criminal track record). But that minority percentage <5% does not give us the right to condescendingly label all immigrants as criminals.
Criminals people... Criminals? Please.
I know if someone called me a criminal I would be enfuriated; I would be highly offended by the term.
When I think of criminals I think of murderers, rapists, thiefs, terrorists, drug dealers etc.... I'm sorry if the image of a mother trying to feed her children or that of a father working in the fields from sunrise to sundown in the hope of providing a better future for his children doesn't ellicit a similar response. According to you all, they are criminals nonetheless. Talk about debasing the meaning of the word.
Should they pay taxes... yeah. Should they pay their own medical expenses, of course... Oddly enough no one ever mentions the fact that if migrant workers were paid proper wages that maybe then they could afford to cover their own expenses. No one ever brings up the fact that people with fraudulent SSNs actually do pay Social Security Taxes even when most of them will have nothing to show for it. They aren't stealing people's iden y as the article suggests, they are making up iden ies (an entirely different premise). Is this facade wrong in and of itself... of course, but they are at least working their tails off - doing the labor that you, myself or other American Citizens are not willing to do. Trying to paint it as something more enraging and illegal such as "iden y theft" is baloney - but I guess it's OK to lie about it - afterall those making up the lies are LEGAL citizens.
Blame the employers for creating a void in the market that homeless or the lowest economic class in the U.S. don't want to fill. As long as that demand is there migrant workers will continue to come. "Berlin Wall" No. 2 is not the answer.
United States of America; Land of the Free, Home of the Brave**
**applies only to citizens, not people.
Borders are a problem when it comes to embracing humanity. Governments exist to manage the resources of the land for the good of the people (all people), not to create social rifts simply because someone wasn't fortunate enough to be born on this side of an imaginary line - a matter they obviously had no bearing in. Dependence on the government that's the true problem we need to eradicate.
Last edited by Phenomanul; 06-14-2007 at 02:14 PM.
Name one country where crossing the border illegally and setting up residence is not a crime.
Couldn't agree more.
Propagating a selfish concept throughout world history doesn't make it right.
Sure they will.
Just as the drugs stoped coming when tougher laws against drug trafficking were passed.
As I said, you are clueless.
The difference in this case is that if you throw a few
employers in jail for hiring the illegals they will have no
source of income.
Now saying that, the dimm-o-craps want to find a way
to support them with government programs. But a lot
of states/cities already do. But just maybe the taxpayers
will finally get tired of that a throw a few of them out
of office.
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