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    Good legislation will likely not get past this democrat controlled congress. The senate is working on SB 6 which will destroy what we know as legal immigration in favor of those who violate our laws. It is a slap in the face for those who have come here legally. HR 98 is a good bill that should be considered. It is a strait forward bill requiring tamper proof social security cards and verification of employment. It states penalties and also grants more money for border enforcement. Call Washington DC if you like this bill and ask your representative to get things going.

    DC Congressional operator: (202) 224-3121. I would suggest having them pass this bill before considering SB 6. Personally, I want SB 6 dumped!

    Sponsor:
    [R-CA-26]; Rep Dreier, David

    Cosponsors:
    [R-AL-06]; Rep Bachus, Spencer
    [R-CA-50]; Rep Bilbray, Brian P.
    [R-MO-07]; Rep Blunt, Roy
    [R-CA-45]; Rep Bono, Mary
    [R-AR-03]; Rep Boozman, John
    [R-FL-05]; Rep Brown+Waite, Ginny
    [R-CA-44]; Rep Calvert, Ken
    [R-WV-02]; Rep Capito, S ey Moore
    [R-NC-06]; Rep Coble, Howard
    [R-GA-09]; Rep Deal, Nathan
    [R-TN-02]; Rep Duncan, John J., Jr.
    [R-NC-08]; Rep Hayes, Robin
    [R-CA-52]; Rep Hunter, Duncan
    [R-CA-49]; Rep Issa, Darrell E.
    [R-NY-03]; Rep King, Peter T.
    [R-TX-10]; Rep McCaul, Michael T.
    [R-CA-42]; Rep Miller, Gary G.
    [R-FL-01]; Rep Miller, Jeff
    [R-NC-09]; Rep Myrick, Sue Wilkins
    [R-TX-19]; Rep Neugebauer, Randy
    [R-AZ-01]; Rep Renzi, Rick
    [D-TX-16]; Rep Reyes, Silvestre
    [R-CA-40]; Rep Royce, Edward R.
    [R-TX-32]; Rep Sessions, Pete
    [R-MI-07]; Rep Walberg, Timothy
    [R-TN-03]; Rep Wamp, Zach
    [R-SC-02]; Rep Wilson, Joe
    [R-VA-10]; Rep Wolf, Frank R.


    Links:

    HR 98; Illegal Immigration Enforcement and Social Security Protection Act of 2007

    Bill summary and status page

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    Thats why I have created my own 4 point immigration plan.



    So right now, I'm going to give you the No Spin immigration solution. It is simple because, as you know, I am a simple man. There are just four components:


    1) secure the southern border with 700, not 300 miles of barrier, double the border patrol and back them up with 10,000 National Guards people. That would effectively shut down human and drug smuggling from Mexico.

    2) require all illegal aliens in the country right now to register at the post office with Homeland Security. After registering, they would be given a tamper proof ID card, designating their status and their right to work temporarily in the USA. If the illegal aliens do not register, it's a criminal felony. Right now sneaking across the border is a civil action. Remember that. Subjecting the person to immediate deportation or jail time. The criminal penalty goes way up.

    3) Any business that hires an illegal worker who doesn't have a tamper proof ID card faces draconian fines and possible prison time for the executives.

    4) Each illegal alien would have his case reviewed by federal authorities. And they would decide who would receive a Z-visa to stay and who would not. That takes the blanket amnesty, something many American hate, off the table. It also allows the feds to make rational decisions about who's helping America and who isn't.

    Under that banner, no illegal alien who commits a crime while here would be allowed to stay. Also under that program, no welfare of any kind would be paid to folks here illegally. They'd have to work for their living.




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    Now that is a fair immigration plan that I believe would be acceptable to most Americans. It would also allow the feds to quickly build a database, so Homeland Security would know the extent of the alien intrusion, which we don't know now.

    Again, any illegal alien who didn't cooperate with the new law would immediately become an outlaw. And immediate action could be taken against that non-citizen who doesn't comply. That would end the sanctuary city madness and give the federal government more tools to regain control over this out of control situation.

    So there you have it — a fair plan to give good people a chance to stay here and earn citizenship down the road -- but a plan that also protects Americans. The No Spin immigration plan is, again, one page and not 800 pages. And it would work.

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    I didn't know tht Bill O'Reilly supported SB 6.

    Just goes to showm I don't listen to him. I find him rather annoying.

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    ^^Me too as well as Beck and Hannity.

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    ^^Me too as well as Beck and Hannity.

    Excuse me?

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    Retired Ray xrayzebra's Avatar
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    ^^you have a whinny voice......so there!

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    Hannity is so annoying to listen to. Id rather listen to Rosie.

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    Hannity is so annoying to listen to. Id rather listen to Rosie.
    I would go so far as to say that........

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    If illegal immigration didn't have a Hispanic face would it be that big of an issue in the US?

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    If illegal immigration didn't have a Hispanic face would it be that big of an issue in the US?

    Marcus, we had 9/11, how many years ago. Our
    borders are still not secure. We had amnesty some years
    ago, that was going to solve the problem. We just had
    an incident at Fort Dix and two of the perps came across
    around Brownsville. The Hispanic face does play a big
    part. They were the most visible in the demonstrations
    just a few months ago, waving the Mexican flag and
    demanding equal rights, the same as American
    citizens. The play a big part, but they are not the whole
    problem.

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    Yeah, but who would really care? There are people risking their lives to come to this country to take jobs that most Americans consider beneath them for pay and they work their asses off. If anything that helps to keep the cost of living for everyone else down somewhat. America needs a bogeyman, I guess.

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    Yeah, but who would really care? There are people risking their lives to come to this country to take jobs that most Americans consider beneath them for pay and they work their asses off. If anything that helps to keep the cost of living for everyone else down somewhat. America needs a bogeyman, I guess.
    Yeah, why don't the Minutemen patrol the Canadian border? Did you know that over 90% of the Canadian population lives within 20 miles of the U.S. Border? They're prepping for an invasion I tells ya!

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    Yeah, but who would really care? There are people risking their lives to come to this country to take jobs that most Americans consider beneath them for pay and they work their asses off. If anything that helps to keep the cost of living for everyone else down somewhat. America needs a bogeyman, I guess.
    You really do live in a dream world, don't you?


    Yeah, why don't the Minutemen patrol the Canadian border? Did you know that over 90% of the Canadian population lives within 20 miles of the U.S. Border? They're prepping for an invasion I tells ya!
    What part of "borders" do you not understand?

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    You really do live in a dream world, don't you?
    Yeah, reality.

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    They should put some minute men on the canadian border, during the summer its nice and cool and the forest provides excellent shelter for terrorists to hide out. Remember every 9/11 terrorist came in through the canadian border. Do you think a terrorist would risk his life dying in the 115+ degree arizona desert? Do you think they would risk drowning in the Rio Grande?

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    if you legalize immigrant workers, buisnesses will be required to pay them min. wage and provided health insurance......which means buisness won't hire LEGAL aliens and continue to hire the ILLEGAL ones.

    doesn't anyone understand this........

    again this bill is BULL .
    The bill is bull not for what it proposed to do...which, by the way, there no way to know since most of it was crafted in secret; but, because of the way Reid is trying to ram it through the Senate without debate and using some arcane procedure called the "clay pigeon" to maneuver a sucky bill through.

    The ironic thing is that it is Talk Radio that has gotten this sausage making stuck in the mud. Had it not been for the blogosphere and talk radio, this bill would have already been passed out of the Senate.

    I'm beginning to understand the Left's big push for a return of the Fairness Doctrine.

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    Yeah, but who would really care? There are people risking their lives to come to this country to take jobs that most Americans consider beneath them for pay and they work their asses off. If anything that helps to keep the cost of living for everyone else down somewhat. America needs a bogeyman, I guess.
    Go ahead and stick a fork in SS and Medicare, too. The system will collapse.

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    Illegal Immigration is a wedge-issue that could backfire on Republicans. They pretend they are worried about our open borders for security reasons and build a 300-mile fence that won't keep anyone out except the coyotes, but what we really need, greater enforcement of illegal labor laws already on the books to stem the flow of aliens risking crossing the border for waiting jobs, the Republicans won't touch because it will hurt business interests.



    All the 911 terra-ist were in the country legally.

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    Go ahead and stick a fork in SS and Medicare, too. The system will collapse.
    Then exempt Hispanics from those programs. Simple enough.

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    Illegal Immigration is a wedge-issue that could backfire on Republicans. They pretend they are worried about our open borders for security reasons and build a 300-mile fence that won't keep anyone out except the coyotes, but what we really need, greater enforcement of illegal labor laws already on the books to stem the flow of aliens risking crossing the border for waiting jobs, the Republicans won't touch because it will hurt business interests.



    All the 911 terra-ist were in the country legally.

    So is the part of the GOP that is opposed to this wrong or is the part pushing for it correct?

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    W4A1 143 43CK? Nbadan's Avatar
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    So is the part of the GOP that is opposed to this wrong or is the part pushing for it correct?
    At equal to or less than 4.7% unemployment, whom do you think is right?

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    If illegal immigration didn't have a Hispanic face would it be that big of an issue in the US?
    Hispanics have nothing to do with it. The term ILLEGAL does!

    We have several illegals from other countries too. Not as many as the Mexicans. That is why tamperproof ID and more rigorous law enforcement are needed besides just a fence, cameras, and border agents. The temptation for them to come here illegally needs to be reduced by making it impossible to remain in the shadows.

    Quite frankly, of those making it to the Portland metro area, I like the Mexicans the best. The ones that come this far north are actually some fine people.

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    Did anyone here read the link to the bill I posted in the first link?

    Thoughts on it?

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    W4A1 143 43CK? Nbadan's Avatar
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    Did anyone here read the link to the bill I posted in the first link?

    Thoughts on it?
    It's not a bad bill, but similiar bills have been proposed in the 108th and 109th Congress and never made it out of preliminary committee, probably because of the greater accountability it places on employers to verify employee citizenship.

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    It's not a bad bill, but similiar bills have been proposed in the 108th and 109th Congress and never made it out of preliminary committee, probably because of the greater accountability it places on employers to verify employee citizenship.
    Now that's one of the few things you said I agree with. It is a burden we shouldn't have to have. What is the solution? It does need to be fixed somehow.

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