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Estuary-effect snow.
Al Gore says that global warming causes it because the higher ocean temperature increases evaporation, which then hits the cold air and falls as snow.
It's snowing in Buenos Aires. First time since 1918 and 2nd time ever.
Wierd.
Estuary-effect snow.
Al Gore says that global warming causes it because the higher ocean temperature increases evaporation, which then hits the cold air and falls as snow.
Did Montevideo or Mar de Plata get snow?
...global warming is a mis-nomer, it's really 'global climate change' because it contributes to more extreme weather patterns, but not necessarily extreme jumps in avg measured temps...changing oceans temps are a blaring warning that the cool down/warm up effect is breaking...
Mar del Plata did.
, the entire country got snow. It's as crazy as if it snowed in SA.
Time to rehash those arguments from the 70's claiming we were headed for another Ice Age, which is natural if you count the ones that happen every 75,000 years or so.
Last year, places in Australia had snow that hadn't had snow for decades too.
There is probably some truth to that, but it doesn't coincide with his assessment of the ocean's rising.
More precipitation also means increased snow and ice on the glaciers. Although we see some glaciers apparently getting smaller, there are places like central Greenland and Antarctica where the ice is getting thicker!
We also have approximate 1500 year cycles. Look at the chart below:
I've meant to see if I could find the raw data for this so I could plot it in excel, but I haven't. Notice the top blue trace which is CO2 and the red trace which is temperature.
Now the left is modern day for this graph, I believe sometime in 2004. There are four prominent peaks that go back about 11,00 or 12,000 years with the third back being about 8,000 years back and the most intense. Notice that all four of these temperatures are hotter than today, yet the CO2 levels are lower
Now also notice that these peaks coincide with the oxygen-18 isotope trace, the upper yellow trace. Oxygen-18 levels change with solar radiation, like many other elements. Carbon-14 and beryllium-10 trace percentages also coincide with known solar activity measurable today. These isotopes are found in the ice cores which the alarmists never mention, because the science does not support anthropogenic global warming, in facts it counters the argument since these follow temperatures and solar activity so well.
Now for those who solidly believe that increases in CO2 and CH4 cause the earth to warm please explain to me why we have been in a nominal warm period for the last 11,000 to 12,000 years without any correlation to the gasses?
Also, if you look carefully, the average trend over this period is a cooling, not a warming!
I've said it before and I'll say it again. CO2 and CH4 flourish in the atmosphere because of increased life on the planet. Life flourishes on Earth in warmer climates rather than colder climates. Temperature is the natural cause for carbon dioxide and methane, not the other way around!
LOL... but we know it's warming too. There are some connections between global warming and weather intensities, but to call the warming, climate change...
Cool down?
Consider this. The oceans absorb more than 90% of the suns radiation that makes it through the atmosphere, and it heats the water rather deep. On land, the suns heating effect is only the surface, and contact below the surface. Nearly all the suns radiation is directed back out to space in the form of infrared radiation. Much of it goes out to space rather than being trapped. Accepted estimates are between 15% to 30% of the IR makes it back to space.
Less than 10% of the reflected suns radiation will make it back out to space. Some will be trapped in the atmosphere, but very little as most that can be trapped was trapped coming through. More than 15% makes it back out from the surface.
This is the natural relationship, and demonstrates how much more changes in the suns radiation warms the oceans more than the surface.
Something else that you would have a hard time disputing is that greenhouse gasses make changes in the ocean's temperature.
Now consider equilibrium. Go to this link:
Wikipedia: Greenhouse Effect
Note the simple model, the top left graphic. The equilibrium is the 235 Watts per meter solar radiation equaling the 195 watts per meter and the 40 watts per meter added together. This model doesn't work for the ocean because the solar radiation penetrates rather deep.
Consider this about the ocean. Water takes so much more energy to heat than a gas of equal volume. Whatever warming there is in the oceans, the primary forcing is the sun. The oceans CO2 equilibrium also causes an atmospheric change of about 28 ppm per degree Celsius! Scientist were mystified sometime back predicting higher CO2 levels than we have. I forget what they left out, but it was probably how much more efficient plants take in CO2 at higher levels. The ocean does the same thing. As CO2 levels in the atmosphere increase, the ocean's absorption does to. However, the colder the water, the more it can absorb too. As the sun warms the ocean, the ocean can become a source rather than a sink for CO2, and even methane. This is another factor why we have CO2 and CH4 levels in past history following temperature rather than causing it. During the ice ages, the water is colder, and absorbs more gasses. As the oceans warm, they release the gasses.
Did anyone know this:
The oceans contain about 93.2% of the CO2. The atmosphere contains about 1.9% and biomass accounts for about 4.9%. Consider the equilibrium at constant temperature of the carbon "footprint". There is about 750 petagrams (750,000,000,000,000,000 grams) of carbon in the earths atmosphere. That confidently rounds out to about 2 Pg per ppm. Since the atmosphere at current temperatures equalize to about 1.9%, we have to release about 107 Pg of carbon (294 Pg CO2) into the atmosphere for every 1 ppm increase in the atmosphere. However, it only takes about a .036 Celsius increase in the average ocean temperature to make the same CO2 increase in the atmosphere due to equilibrium.
Now considering we see about a 100 ppm increase since industrialization, the same relative level of scientific knowledge that told us the earth is flat, tells us that CO2 increases change temperature. How may global warming alarmists realize it only takes about a 3.6 Celsius change in ocean temperature to make the same atmospheric change.
Now don't get me wrong. I am not attributing that much CO2 change to the sun. Only that it takes far more greenhouse gasses emitted than most people think to make a change, and that there is a far greater change with ocean temperature.
It's not snow. Smegma is just getting bukkaked alongside argentina..
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