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    and would've came for about 40 percent of what we are paying these two weeds.

    Eat on that today.

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    Resigning Bonner cost the Spurs Butler and Scola.

    I like Oberto, though.

    If the Spurs take Udoka or get Sanikidze on the roster, Bonner may barely ever play. That's stupid.

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    and would've game for about 40 percent of what we are paying these two weeds.

    Eat on that today.



    thank you captain ing obvious

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    More urgent and breaking news

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    It sucks we pretty much just gave Scola away, to a division rival at that. But we are still in prime position to repeat.

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    It sucks we pretty much just gave Scola away, to a division rival at that. But we are still in prime position to repeat.
    Not really...

    Spurs didn't do anything to improve, Suns (who Spurs didn't beat at full capacity) added Grant Hill, Mavs (who Spurs luckily didn't have to play) return their solid team, and Rockets just filled out their two-star roster with very credible scoring threats (James, Scola, and possibly Butler).

    Spurs aren't in a prime position to repeat and aren't even really the favorites...no one is.

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    Not really...

    Spurs didn't do anything to improve, Suns (who Spurs didn't beat at full capacity) added Grant Hill, Mavs (who Spurs luckily didn't have to play) return their solid team, and Rockets just filled out their two-star roster with very credible scoring threats (James, Scola, and possibly Butler).

    Spurs aren't in a prime position to repeat and aren't even really the favorites...no one is.
    Offseason aint over yet.
    Rockets added some pieces, but no one knows how chemistry and a new coaching system will play out with them.
    The Mavs showed their s in the armor and havent done really in the offseason except have another off season thinking about what chokers they are, not great on the psyche
    And at Grant Hill being the missing piece for any team
    No one has a three like the Spurs, and the role players on this team should be better next year.
    Spurs will be fine

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    Not really...

    Spurs didn't do anything to improve, Suns (who Spurs didn't beat at full capacity) added Grant Hill, Mavs (who Spurs luckily didn't have to play) return their solid team, and Rockets just filled out their two-star roster with very credible scoring threats (James, Scola, and possibly Butler).

    Spurs aren't in a prime position to repeat and aren't even really the favorites...no one is.
    Huh? They can still repeat, but they gave away relief for Duncan and relief for Horry for ing nothing. I wanted to see Scola play alongside Duncan, Manu and Parker. He is better than Oberto, He is better than Bonner. Horry is not going to play during the regular season and will show up huge in the playoffs with his rebounds, blocked shots, mental destruction and a few timely 3s.

    They didn't have to resign Bonner. Period. I don't understand why he didn't get a minimum deal? It's ing absolutley crazy to pay him a 3 year 9 million dollar deal. It's ing luda.

    So now, you drop Scola into a tandem with Yao. What the is that?

    What a got damn joke.

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    luis scola its better than oberto all that saw then play en argentina team know

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    Not really...

    Spurs didn't do anything to improve, Suns (who Spurs didn't beat at full capacity) added Grant Hill, Mavs (who Spurs luckily didn't have to play) return their solid team, and Rockets just filled out their two-star roster with very credible scoring threats (James, Scola, and possibly Butler).

    Spurs aren't in a prime position to repeat and aren't even really the favorites...no one is.


    Give us a break.... Grant Hill at his age, Mike James, Luis Scola, Jackie Butler are not difference makers on a roster.

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    luis scola its better than oberto all that saw then play en argentina team know
    Maybe from a skill stand-point, but Oberto fits so well with the SPurs in their system, and that makes him valuable to the SPurs

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    Offseason aint over yet.
    Rockets added some pieces, but no one knows how chemistry and a new coaching system will play out with them.
    The Mavs showed their s in the armor and havent done really in the offseason except have another off season thinking about what chokers they are, not great on the psyche
    And at Grant Hill being the missing piece for any team
    No one has a three like the Spurs, and the role players on this team should be better next year.
    Spurs will be fine
    Rockets are a better team on paper than they were last year. That gives them a head start over last year's team. I understand that they will still have chemistry issues. I'm specifically interested to see how McGrady and James mesh in the backcourt...with both often demanding the ball. But, they are at least a deeper team than last year...and with their players' injury history, that's important to note.

    On Dallas....while they have not addressed their lack of low-post scoring, they have maintained their championship-contending team. Let's face it, the Warriors were a match-up problem and nothing more. The Spurs cannot assume that Dallas will get taken care of again by a gimmick system. The Mavs still match up very well with the rest of the league. Every team has holes...even the Spurs with their lack of a true small-ball PF, lack of alegitimate backup PG, lack of athleticism on the wings, and lack of a low-post scoring threat outside of Duncan. And they still won.

    And I'm not saying that Grant Hill was a missing piece for the Suns. In truth, I think they made more agregious errors this off-season than the Spurs by dealing away Rudy Fernandez and adding a Desmond Mason clone that can't shoot. BUT...they didn't get worse and if Amare Stoudamire had played every game it would've been a different series. I'm not saying the outcome wouldn't have been the same, but you can't discount the Suns...

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    Well Im still holding out some hope that the SPurs will still bring in another player or two.
    Im just not ready to say the Spurs arent the favorites until the off-season is over and we can look at the final squad

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    To all those questioning my theory about repeating...

    I'm NOT saying it's impossible.

    I'm NOT even saying it isn't probable.

    Spurs are still in the discussion, but they aren't in what I would consider a "prime position". As far as I'm concerned it's a wide-open race.

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    Well Im still holding out some hope that the SPurs will still bring in another player or two.
    Im just not ready to say the Spurs arent the favorites until the off-season is over and we can look at the final squad
    Spurs won't bring in another player or two without subtracting someone "significant" from their roster, because the Spurs are still over the lux tax threshold....and as it was proven with the Butler deal, the Spurs aren't going to pay double for someone that's not going to significantly contribute.

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    Resigning Bonner cost the Spurs Butler and Scola.

    I like Oberto, though.

    If the Spurs take Udoka or get Sanikidze on the roster, Bonner may barely ever play. That's stupid.
    If Scola said he'd stay in Europe rather than sign with the Spurs how did resigning Bonner prevent the Spurs from getting Scola?

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    Give us a break.... Grant Hill at his age, Mike James, Luis Scola, Jackie Butler are not difference makers on a roster.
    Suns were already a championship-contending team without Grant Hill. What makes you think they'll be worse off with him?

    And, let's examine your other statement....

    When the previous year's roster is:

    PG Rafer Alston
    SG Tracy McGrady (injured 10 games)
    SF Shane Battier
    PF Chuck Hayes
    C Yao Ming (Injured 34 games)

    With contributions from over-the-hill Juwan Howard & Dikembe Mutumbo, and unmotivated Bonzi Wells (when not injured), and Luther Head.

    This year's potential roster:

    PG Mike James
    SG Tracy McGrady
    SF Shane Battier
    PF Luis Scola
    C Yao Ming

    With contributions from Rafer Alston/Aaron Brooks/Luther Head at guard, motivated Bonzi Wells at G/F, Chuck Hayes and Carl Landry as then "energy" PFs, Butler as the F/C, and Mutumbo as the veteran.

    Bottom Line: The Suns aren't worse and the Rockets are significantly DEEPER and potentially much better.

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    The Spurs and the Suns were the two best teams in the playoffs. I imagine this will be the story this year.

    Dallas is a great team but not a championship team.

    It really comes down to health and which team gets the breaks in a series.

    You could form an allstar team from the Eastern Conference and you couldn't beat the Suns, Spurs or Mavs in the finals. The East doesn't have a chance.

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    Suns were already a championship-contending team without Grant Hill. What makes you think they'll be worse off with him?

    And, let's examine your other statement....

    When the previous year's roster is:

    PG Rafer Alston
    SG Tracy McGrady (injured 10 games)
    SF Shane Battier
    PF Chuck Hayes
    C Yao Ming (Injured 34 games)

    With contributions from over-the-hill Juwan Howard & Dikembe Mutumbo, and unmotivated Bonzi Wells (when not injured), and Luther Head.

    This year's potential roster:

    PG Mike James
    SG Tracy McGrady
    SF Shane Battier
    PF Luis Scola
    C Yao Ming

    With contributions from Rafer Alston/Aaron Brooks/Luther Head at guard, motivated Bonzi Wells at G/F, Chuck Hayes and Carl Landry as then "energy" PFs, Butler as the F/C, and Mutumbo as the veteran.

    Bottom Line: The Suns aren't worse and the Rockets are significantly DEEPER and potentially much better.
    the rockets may be a lot better offensively, but their defense will suffer greatly with adelman instead of van gundy. if yao and tmac can stay healthy, they will be good. but i still don't see them as a top 4 seed.

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    If Scola said he'd stay in Europe rather than sign with the Spurs how did resigning Bonner prevent the Spurs from getting Scola?
    Cost him as an asset.

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    the rockets may be a lot better offensively, but their defense will suffer greatly with adelman instead of van gundy. if yao and tmac can stay healthy, they will be good. but i still don't see them as a top 4 seed.
    I understand that Van Gundy was a great defensive coach and that Adelman is lacking in that area, but the Rockets still have the same amount of talent defensively. They still have a 7'5 guy clogging up the lane, a very good perimeter defender in Battier, and have added a tough-nosed defender in Mike James.

    This is just my opinion, but I think the improvements they've made on offense will outweigh any deficencies they will encounter on D. Suppose time will tell though...

    Still, to claim that they're not the #4 team is a little odd. The Rockets took Utah to 7 games last playoffs and have significantly improved the depth and overall talent of their club.

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    Finley's got that championship monkey off his back now. A repeat is still possible, and no way did Jackie Butler help in last year's championship run. Parker may have more confidence now.

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    I understand that Van Gundy was a great defensive coach and that Adelman is lacking in that area, but the Rockets still have the same amount of talent defensively. They still have a 7'5 guy clogging up the lane, a very good perimeter defender in Battier, and have added a tough-nosed defender in Mike James.

    This is just my opinion, but I think the improvements they've made on offense will outweigh any deficencies they will encounter on D. Suppose time will tell though...

    Still, to claim that they're not the #4 team is a little odd. The Rockets took Utah to 7 games last playoffs and have significantly improved the depth and overall talent of their club.
    mike james plays defense? i didn't think he did last time around in houston, so he got shipped out.

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    To all those questioning my theory about repeating...

    I'm NOT saying it's impossible.

    I'm NOT even saying it isn't probable.

    Spurs are still in the discussion, but they aren't in what I would consider a "prime position". As far as I'm concerned it's a wide-open race.
    Check with the Vegas Sports Books. Those guys aren't ever far off. And last I heard Spurs were co favorites with Dallas at 7 - 2 odds.

    You may say the FO doesn't know what it's doing, but I doubt you can say the same for a bunch of people that make their living on these picks.

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    Some of you are way overrating the S0ns. Their coach is a joke, their playing style is a gimmick, and their star players can't play defense. If Manu hadn't played so ty in games 2 and 4 the S0ns would have been sent home in five games just like they were in '05.

    The Mavs are still the biggest threat to the Spurs.

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