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I like Rasho but this past game was his worst as a Spur but the thing is that he did not seem interested in the game. I know everybody has a bad game but at least show some hart.
Rasho has been playing horrible basketball and is showing no heart. If you can't see that, you are blind apologist.
I thought Rasho was doing fine earlier in the season, but now he's playing worse than ever. He still never finishes games, which is what you want most starters to do. At best, he's a stop gap until the Spurs put in a real basketball player. I'm sure Popovich expected more out of him when the Spurs signed him to that big deal.
Right now, it looks like they should just start someone like Sean Marks and then let Robert Horry or Malik Rose finish games. At least put someone who cares about whether the team wins or losses in the game. This heartless and gutless play is just down right sickening.
Hopefully Rasho can show an ounce of courage and snap out of this funk.
Last edited by timvp; 12-09-2004 at 04:11 PM.
I like Rasho but this past game was his worst as a Spur but the thing is that he did not seem interested in the game. I know everybody has a bad game but at least show some hart.
Is this the worst year of his career?Code:YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG 98-99 MIN 2 0 15.0 .250 .000 1.000 1.50 2.50 4.00 .5 .00 .00 .50 2.50 4.0 99-00 MIN 82 55 21.0 .476 .000 .573 1.60 3.00 4.60 1.1 .26 1.04 .87 3.20 5.7 00-01 MIN 73 39 16.9 .461 .000 .523 1.40 2.60 3.90 0.6 .34 0.86 .75 2.60 4.5 01-02 MIN 82 82 27.0 .493 .000 .549 2.40 4.10 6.50 0.9 .55 1.33 1.15 3.20 8.4 02-03 MIN 77 77 30.4 .525 .000 .642 1.90 4.60 6.50 1.5 .51 1.51 1.29 3.30 11.2 03-04 SAS 82 82 28.7 .469 .000 .474 3.10 4.60 7.70 1.4 .62 2.01 1.30 3.00 8.7 04-05 SAS 20 20 25.6 .444 .000 .333 2.80 3.80 6.60 1.3 .30 1.25 1.20 2.70 6.1 Career 418 355 24.9 .486 .000 .549 2.10 3.80 5.90 1.1 .45 1.35 1.08 3.10 7.6
Rasho is getting beat out by a man 7" shorter than him in the rotation.
If he continues to play like this, Malone looks all the more appealing.
Rasho is now the 8th leading scorer on the Spurs. He's playing over 25 minutes per game.
Something isn't right. Either he is asleep, he has regressed or he's just sitting around waiting for his $42M to roll in.
Hopefully he wakes up.
IMO it is.
I dont know what the deal is. Could it be an injury that hes hiding?
It doesnt make sense for the sudden decline. Nothing does.
Damn, someone break out the film of what he did in 02 03.
11.2 and 7 boards a game??
SOB.
Good point, T Park. Everyone said KG was being a big meanie by yelling at Rasho all the time. Well, in his one and a half seasons with the Spurs ... he hasn't played anything like that final year in Minnesota. He'd be a city legend if he could average 11.2 points and shoot 52.5% from the field.
Right after we signed Rasho Shoenig did an interview with Minny's PlaybyPlay guy about Rasho...
The guy said Rasho was a talented offensive player and weak defender(he was wrong about Rasho's D IMO)...
He said the main problem with Rasho was that Rasho was a "floater"...IOW, he'd just float away on you mentally at times during the season...He was right.
Seems to be a problem with a lot of other bigs as well...Drob spoiled us.
Anyway, blame Pop, his pick up.
We need Robertas Javtokas
Javtokas isn't even putting up decent numbers in the league he's playing in. I'm not sure he's the answer.
Rasho is technically decent on the defensive end because he can get in the right position. Where he struggles is when it comes to establishing a physical presence in the paint. For you boxscore jockeys this is borne out by his paltry rebounding averages. On the offensive end his weak paint play shows up in his sorry FG%.
Javtokas
10.5 ppg
6.2 rpg
1.4 bpg
Not great considering the compe ion. Also a bit down from his stats last season.
For anyone who cares, here's Scola's numbers.
17.1 ppg
8.4 rpg
56 FG%
His scoring has fallen off quite a bit from his hot play at the beginning of the season.
If he is not soft sign him up.
MB, I don't think Rasho is soft...I think he just doesnt' care sometimes...
Remember, when Duncan went out last season Rasho went for 18p & 10b a game...against some pretty tough comp.
I don't think Rasho's mental aspect as a side kick is going to change...but I disagree that he's not talented...on offense and defense...he's not Drob or Duncan but he has the skills to be arguably the most complete center in the West behind Yao...
And Yao's kind of a floater too...
I think the biggest difference between superstars and merely good players...the superstars bring it every night mentally...Rasho just doesn't have the mental make up to be more than he is.
I don't know why you at everyone in the forum about it though, yeah a lot of us disagree with the soft tag...but it wasn't like the forum was saying Rasho was a must sign(unless it was a choice of him or Olo)......This was all Pop's deal on the side and Pop has been Rasho's biggest fan.
Point the finger where it is deserved.
So what about Chandler as mentioned in another thread?
The Bulls would have to trade a lot more than Chandler to the Spurs to get the salary to match Rasho's. And I'm not sure why they'd want Rasho anyway.
I don't get how someone can say that Rasho isn't soft. He's gone to the line nine times in 511 minutes this season. If that's not soft, what is?
I don't think soft is necessarily a bad thing. The Spurs weren't going to be able to sign a seven-footer who was aggressive and didn't back down, but then also fit into a team concept that focuses on a switching defense. That type of player doesn't exist.
Rasho is what he is. A soft giant who plays good defense when motivated and can sometimes hit jumpers. Now if the Spurs can somehow get him and keep him motivated, then they'd be fine. It's these unmotivated times that are hard to watch.
How about Brenda Haywood? Yeah, Spurs would be hardpressed to come up with an appealing offer but then again he plays for the Wizards...
To me, that is the very definition of soft.MB, I don't think Rasho is soft...I think he just doesnt' care sometimes...
33% FT's !!!!!!
wow, Rasho sucks
I've stumbled upon a stat that that proves that Rasho is getting softer as the years go by.
Free Throw Attempts Per 48 Minutes
98-99: 3.2
99-00: 2.9
00-01: 2.5
01-02: 1.5
02-03: 1.9
03-04: 2.3
04-05: 0.8
How the does a seven-footer average less than one free throw attempt per 48 minutes? That's a sign that he just doesn't care. You can make excuses for him all you want, but that is just glaring.
I like Rasho and I think he is a very good defender when he wants to be, so I really want him to break out of this slump. I want him to play well and possibly even finish some games.
But right now it's pretty sad how he's playing.
I think the Bulls would love him!
Sincerly,
I guess it's just depends on how you define soft. To me the guys that are soft are the guys like Peja and Dirk...that never give hard fouls, that never foul out of games, who do nothing more than take weak swipes at the ball and get 0 OBoards.
Rasho gives hard fouls, he put Fortson on his ass last night for instance, and last season he was a good O rebounder...I think he just doesn't care all the time.
And his mental outlook will never change permanently...you can't change it...How many years did Sloan try to change Ostertag?
Won't happen and it's a waste of time and energy to try, he is what he is...
Start Malik..
Edit: and I think you are going to run into this problem with just about every none elite center in the NBA who isn't in a contract year, and most cost more than Rasho and lack his all around talent on both sides of the ball. So you may as well keep Rasho until you know you are getting someone better.
But you are just banging your head against the wall if you expect Rasho to become more agessive or make a huge mental change.
Last edited by whottt; 12-09-2004 at 05:42 PM.
Ouch. Maybe he does need someone in his face constantly.
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