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    Appoggiatura ancestron's Avatar
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    Michael Vick fights pitbulls, Chris Benoit killed his family, Barry Bonds is about to break Hank Aaron's record with the help of steroids, Tim Donaghy gambles and shaves points for games he is working, a minor league player got killed by a foul ball yesterday, am i leaving anything out?

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    Three of those haven't been proven.

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    Money, drugs, booze and pussy. Thats whats going on.

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    Pro-wrestling is not a sport.

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    Pro-wrestling is not a sport.

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    This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend sandman's Avatar
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    Michael Vick fights pitbulls, Chris Benoit killed his family, Barry Bonds is about to break Hank Aaron's record with the help of steroids, Tim Donaghy gambles and shaves points for games he is working, a minor league player got killed by a foul ball yesterday, am i leaving anything out?
    It's a vast, right-wing conspiracy

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    It's a vast, right-wing conspiracy
    i figured.

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    Blame Rasho

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    Maybe the difference is that now we KNOW about all the dirty secrets in pro sports. The Steelers dynasty of the 70's was apparently built on steroids, but fans didn't know. Gambling and point shaving has gone on since the beginning of time. Dog fighting is part of the "cultural heritage" of West Virginia and Louisiana.

    Bill Clinton wasn't the first President to cheat, but he was the first to have his dirty laundry dragged into public.

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    This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend sandman's Avatar
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    Maybe the difference is that now we KNOW about all the dirty secrets in pro sports. The Steelers dynasty of the 70's was apparently built on steroids, but fans didn't know. Gambling and point shaving has gone on since the beginning of time. Dog fighting is part of the "cultural heritage" of West Virginia and Louisiana.

    Bill Clinton wasn't the first President to cheat, but he was the first to have his dirty laundry dragged into public.
    How did someone put it recently? A few generations ago the pay scale of professional athletes and the media that covered them was not that big of a difference, and the relationship was much closer than it is today. That pay scale chasm has made a rift in the relationship between players and media. What used to get a wink-wink from a reporter about a player indiscretion is now seen as an opportunity to make a name for the reporter while bringing down the player.

    Don't get me wrong, professional athletes need to be accountable for their actions, but there are times when the media (and sports fans in general) get a bit too excited about bringing down a pro athlete. I have a hard time believing that their huge salaries that Average Joe won't come close to seeing in their lifetime does not have some play in that. Salaries have alienated players from both the fan base and the media.

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    And remember, a lot of these guys are still in their early 20s. Having that much money makes them feel invincable. It goes to their heads, and they get stupid. And when you get stupid, you do stupid things.

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    Pro wrestling's a sport?

    Athletes making bone-headed decisions are not new.

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    Hedo Layup Drill ShoogarBear's Avatar
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    And remember, a lot of these guys are still in their early 20s. Having that much money makes them feel invincable. It goes to their heads, and they get stupid. And when you get stupid, you do stupid things.
    This is a good point. If you gave the average 20-year old off the street in this country a $500K to $5M salary, how would he end up?

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    Something good to read about....sports needed it:



    Lester returns to Sox, beats Indians
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    7/24/2007 1:21:51 AM

    CLEVELAND (AP) - As the emotions washed over him, Jon Lester stood on the mound and squeezed the baseball tightly in his left hand.

    This was the moment, his moment.

    Staring at Boston catcher Jason Varitek's target, Lester disregarded the fluttering in his stomach, rocked into his windup and fired his first pitch - a called strike, the one he had dreamed of making for 11 months.

    On Monday night, Lester crowned a courageous comeback from cancer with a victory.

    The young pitcher, whose rookie season ended suddenly when he was diagnosed with a treatable form of lymphoma, pitched six innings to lead the Red Sox to a 6-2 win over the Cleveland Indians.





    ''I figured the day would come,'' Lester said. ''I just didn't know when. It's just nice to be back.''

    Working to major leaguers while his parents sat on the edges of their seats near Boston's dugout, Lester allowed two runs and five hits to easily handle the Indians, the team with the AL's best home record.

    Lester's journey back couldn't have had a better checkpoint.

    ''It was supposed to be his night,'' Red Sox manager Terry Francona said. ''He just really competes.''

    The 23-year-old left-hander had been in the midst of a stellar first season when a visit to the doctor for back pain resulted in a startling find that threatened his life and stunned Red Sox Nation.

    Lester was diagnosed with anaplastic large cell lymphoma just days after he improved to 7-2 with a win over the Los Angeles Angels on Aug. 23.

    Over the next months, Lester would undergo six chemotherapy sessions that eventually eradicated the disease. Still, there would be other hurdles to overcome as the Red Sox cautiously handled his return.

    But in the opener of a four-game series, Lester showed the same form that made him instantly popular at Fenway Park, where he is certain to have another emotional game when he finally pitches there again.

    Lester was relieved to be back in the big leagues, knowing how quickly it can all be taken away. He was declared cancer-free by doctors in December but must still have periodic checkups to make sure the disease hasn't returned.

    ''I'm just trying to put it behind me and move on and just go back to pitching and not worry about things,'' he said. ''But right now every three months I have to go back and get that reality check. Hopefully we can put it behind us and just win some games.''

    Coco Crisp went 4-for-5 and scored three runs for Boston, which jumped to a 5-0 lead in the second off Jake Westbrook (1-6).

    Manny Ramirez had two RBIs as the Red Sox became the majors' first team to reach 60 wins.

    Grady Sizemore hit a two-run homer for the Indians, who opened an 11-game homestand.

    The sight of Lester walking to the mound drew a standing ovation from pockets of Boston fans scattered throughout Jacobs Field, a ballpark he didn't get to pitch in during his abbreviated first season.

    Any nervousness for Lester may have been soothed by his teammates giving him a 4-0 lead before he threw a pitch.

    ''That definitely helps,'' he said. ''That eases any pitcher's mind getting four in the first. It makes it a little easier to go out there and throw strikes.''

    Lester breezed through the first two innings, getting a double play after hitting Ryan Garko opening the second.

    In the third, Sizemore connected for a two-run homer off Lester, who was in trouble again in the fourth.

    The Indians loaded the bases with one out but Lester broke Josh Barfield's bat on a comebacker that he bobbled before throwing home to force Garko. With Sizemore back up, Lester's mom, Kathie, couldn't watch as her son battled Cleveland's leadoff hitter.

    When Lester finally blew a fastball past Sizemore for strike three to end the threat, his father, John, and Kathie jumped up and pumped their fists in celebration. However, she quickly sat back down and resumed her doubled-up position, seemingly afraid to watch anymore.

    Lester said having his parents on hand made his return more special.

    ''It meant a lot,'' he said. ''They've been through a lot. It was a long off-season, so it was good to have them here to enjoy the moment.''

    At a time when sports headlines were dominated by an NBA betting scandal, Michael Vick's alleged dogfighting involvement and an ongoing steroid investigation that has tainted Barry Bonds' chase of Henry Aaron's home run record, along came Lester.

    ''Wow, it's a great story,'' knuckleballer Tim Wakefield said. ''It's been a long road for him.''

    Lester's comeback has inspired the Red Sox, who were marvelling at his composure and maturity long before he began chemotherapy.

    Lester, who became the first Red Sox rookie lefty to win his first five decisions, had eased into Boston's rotation when cancer imperiled his young life. But by December, he was throwing again and he showed up at training camp two weeks before pitchers and catchers were due.

    Although he appeared ready, the Red Sox decided to bring Lester along slowly, allowing him to pitch in the minors for more than three months before recalling him Monday from Triple-A Pawtucket.

    Lester's return figured to be an emotional one for his immediate family and those who love him for the beloved ''B'' on his cap.

    ''This isn't even about baseball,'' Curt Schilling said. ''It just doesn't get any better the way a guy like that comes back to us. It's about family. The big thing is he's a great human being and that makes it an even better story. That wasn't your run-of-the-mill DL stint.''

    Notes: Red Sox DH David Ortiz missed his third straight game after injuring his left shoulder on a slide Friday. Ortiz hit off a tee before the game and plans to take batting practice on Tuesday. ''Every day it feels better,'' he said. Ortiz noted that he got hurt trying to stretch a single by challenging the arm of Chicago right fielder Jermaine Dye. ''I've run on him two times and both times I was out, and both times I got hurt,'' he said. .. Garko extended his hitting streak to 16 games. He's batting .463 over the span. .. Manny Delcarmen pitched three innings for his first career save. .. The Red Sox stopped a six-game road losing streak.

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    This is a good point. If you gave the average 20-year old off the street in this country a $500K to $5M salary, how would he end up?
    I'd be happy to participate in that experiment.

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    This is a good point. If you gave the average 20-year old off the street in this country a $500K to $5M salary, how would he end up?
    I'd OD on drugs within the first day.

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    I'd be happy to participate in that experiment.
    If you had that kind of bling, the first thing I'd do is start an SA "Dr. Pepper and escort" service.

    All of your cash would belong to me.

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    This is a good point. If you gave the average 20-year old off the street in this country a $500K to $5M salary, how would he end up?

    Idiocracy would occur much faster than in the movie by Mike Judge... if you dont know what Idiocracy is ... check it out at Blockbuster to see the sad bleak future that awaits the generations following us...

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    a foul ball killed somebody??

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    Idiocracy would occur much faster than in the movie by Mike Judge... if you dont know what Idiocracy is ... check it out at Blockbuster to see the sad bleak future that awaits the generations following us...

    my buddy is the attorney in that movie. kevin cacey is his name.

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    and what about those riders in the Tour de France? the Kazhak dude got CAUGHT today !

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    The riders of the Tour de France are tested so much more than any other sport, that is why they get caught more. Gary Player just said last week that players in the PGA were on steroids. I have often wondered what kind of performance enhancing drugs are used in the NBA. I'm sure that it is more widespread than fans realize. I thought the Utah Jazz looked kinda of roided up as a whole. If you look at some athletes you can tell they are physically modified.

    You know how a college player with potential, whether football-baseball-basketball, comes into professional sports and the analysts say "he needs to bulk up to be compe ive on a pro level"----- what they really mean is "he needs to go on the juice for 6 months or so." We all know the truth, but people don't want to believe it.

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    that's right barbacoataco... i predict the death of pro sport as we know it

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    I'm turning my focus to the X-Games from here on out.

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    nba did not have alot of players getting in trouble the law this offseason though

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