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He's not minimally talented on offense, he's got skills on O...it's just everywheree else, including coachability and desire to improve and contribute to the team that just put a championship ring on his finger.
Charley Rosen Wrote an atricle on grades of acqisitions. Heres what he wrote on our notorious jackie Butler. Prety much what I thought about him.
Jackie Butler — Houston
Butler will be a good fit in Houston, but only if he takes his form-fitted bench seat with him. Sloppy, defenseless, and minimally talented, Butler is strictly a third-stringer.
Grade: D-
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He's not minimally talented on offense, he's got skills on O...it's just everywheree else, including coachability and desire to improve and contribute to the team that just put a championship ring on his finger.
Do you have a link? I'd like to read the rest of the article.
Edit: Nevermind. I found it.
Kid is 22 years old and has been in the coach's doghouse from day one...since showing up out of shape.
It was totally his fault that he showed up out of shape and seemed unmotivated at times, but this kid is very talented offensively and has the potential to be a starting F/C down the road.
He might not have survived in this system, but I think he can/will be more than a third-string center in another situation (Houston?).
Bottom Line: I completely disagree with the above assessment.
Last edited by AFBlue; 07-29-2007 at 09:08 PM.
Rosen looks like he got that "scouting report" by reading a Ludden article.
Yeah, I wish he had gotten more playing time. It's tough to say goodbye to him without knowing what exactly the Spurs are giving away.
Man, I was so excited that summer when he was signed. Now we get to see what he is really capable of in Houston.
I liked to give Butler a hard time, but he is not minimally talented.
I agree. He may be lacking some things, but talent ain't one of them.
Sounds like another team praying that some Spurs scraps will pay off.
Butler's game will probably turn out to be a far cry from Hollinger's highly optimistic PER based assessment when the Spurs first signed him but not nearly as bad as Rosen's "third stringer" take. I see him serving as the seventh or eighth man in Houston's rotation if he can get/stay in shape.
C'mon man ! I wanted to see the guy do well too, but he was horrible. He has talent but that doesn't mean jack if you don't have basketball sense. And he doesn't have it. No smarts or significant desire.
It took a while, but now Rosen is a Spurs homer.
That's what I've been saying, too.
Why did they sign him to a 3 year contract if they didn't expect his development to take some time?
I think it's a pity we dumped him like that. I was looking forward to him playing some meaningful backup minutes early this season to see if he has potential in our system, but that's gone out the window.
Very short-sighted move, IMHO. Butler will be a 12/8 guy for some team in 2 years.
It's one thing to take a while to refine your game. It's quite another to enroll in the Jerome James Diet Plan.
Mailing it in as soon as he gets paid is a sign of a guy you don't want to mess with, no matter how much potential he has. It's the exact opposite of Bruce Bowen, or even Stephen Jackson.
C'mon, he was never going to get any pt in his first year with us, and during that year he lost about 30lbs and became a solid chunk of muscle while he learned the system. I saw him up close when I was over there in Jan and he was all muscle, not much baby fat left.
This season coming up was going to be the one that tested him, now he's gone. Waste IMHO.
Unfortunately for Jackie, that team will be the Albany Patroons.
I'll dig up this thread in 2009 when Jackie is a solid starting centre somewhere in the NBA.
I'm sorry...did you miss the part where he lost 30lbs over the course of the season?
He may have SHOWN UP out of shape, but he worked his ass off to get back into shape.
Besides....I don't think Jackie is meant to be Tim Duncan or David Robinson.
Jackie needed time on the court actually playing basketball to prove what he was worth and unfortunately he never got that time on a championship-winning, veteran-laden team. But that doesn't mean he'll never get his chance....
Agree with Ruff, he'll be a solid....possibly starting....player for some NBA squad in two years.
Everyone rips on him for being heavy, but his weight and the willingness to throw it around on the low block is exactly what makes him effective. I can't say if he has good, bad, or no basketball IQ for sure, but from the little I did see, I feel safe in saying he understands the game better than Elson. That guy is always lost out there and he's been able to maintain a career so I think it's quite possible Butler will be able to do the same.
Much ado about nothing. He'll never be a difference maker in Houston IMO. More than likely he wouldn't have been one here. It' giving up Scola for cash that makes me cringe.
Ruff - There are guys who are Spurs, and guys who aren't. I knew from the minute Bonner went down, and Tim had to bark at Butler to get off his fat ass and help him to the locker room that his days in black and silver were numbered.
I think we all knew he was scheduled to sit for a season, but either he hadn't followed Spurs history, or thought he was a lot better than he really was, because he didn't seem to know that he was going to sit.
Butler's biggest problem is that he has an IQ of around 75. Sure, he may be talented, but you can't take somebody that stupid and make an NBA player out of him.
Good take.
I still think he will go on to be a decent NBA player, but you're probably right that he didn't fit here. Odd for them to be so wrong about him when they offered him 3 years though...
ahem... Amare Stoudemire
Jackie Butler=Kevin Duckworth (before SA traded him)?
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