Support for the theory John Kerry...

[Yonivore]

...was a useful idiot to the Communists.

Today in the Opinion Journal, former KGB intelligence officer Ion Mihai Pacepa explained the propaganda tactics of the communists during the Cold War.

Here is a bit of what Pacepa had to say about the Soviet's propaganda campaign in the West:

During the Vietnam War we spread vitriolic stories around the world, pretending that America's presidents sent Genghis Khan-style barbarian soldiers to Vietnam who raped at random, taped electrical wires to human genitals, cut off limbs, blew up bodies and razed entire villages. Those weren't facts. They were our tales, but some seven million Americans ended up being convinced their own president, not communism, was the enemy. As Yuri Andropov, who conceived this dezinformatsiya war against the U.S., used to tell me, people are more willing to believe smut than holiness.

Does that remind you of anyone?

Here are the words of future democratic Senator John F. Kerry in front of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on April 22, 1971:

They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam...

John F. Kerry- Useful Idiot.

Actually... Back in 2004, Ion Mihai Pacepa was asking this very question- "Where did Kerry get his material?" -Since, what Kerry said in his 1971 Senate testimony was almost exactly like the disinformation line that the Soviets were sowing worldwide.

Maggie's Farm thinks there's more to the story. So do I.

[SRJ]

Howard Bloom (no conservative, he) once expressed anger at mainstream journalism in a long essay.

I paraphrase, but he mentioned that mainstream journalism during Vietnam went to great pains to bring Western atrocities to light but ignored those committed by the Communists. Bloom came to find out that the Communist atrocities were more frequent and more severe.

[boutons_]

American atrocities in VN were well do ented and reported by 1000s of troops.

My Lai was hardly isolated.

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs...y=SRTIGERFORCE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam...ng_Group_Files

Pentagon just says "was a long time ago. Forget it"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3206180.stm

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...home-headlines


Remember the atrocity of "fragging"?

[George Gervin's Afro]

So I wonder if I can find do entation that the Iraq war has been a boon for terrorists recruiting then I guess we could blame Bush for making the situation worse. Some people here would use the word of terrorists and Russians to justify their point yet disregad other things that have been said. Is that selective cherry picking ?

[gtownspur]

So I wonder if I can find do entation that the Iraq war has been a boon for terrorists recruiting then I guess we could blame Bush for making the situation worse. Some people here would use the word of terrorists and Russians to justify their point yet disregad other things that have been said. Is that selective cherry picking ?

Dodge the subject forum.

[Wild Cobra]

American atrocities in VN were well do ented and reported by 1000s of troops.

My Lai was hardly isolated.

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Remember the atrocity of "fragging"?

Too many people remained silent who should have reported it to authorities then, not in the aftermath. It should also be noted that many of the stories have been proven to be fabricated. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying atrocities didn't happen. Just not in the numbers reported. Those who knew of such evil actions and remained silent are guilty also.

These atrocities did not happen by the quality of soldiers we have today. Sure, we have a few bad apples, but not as many as we would if we had a draft. These atrocities were committed by the likes of John Kerry and his friends, who didn't want to be there, and were so fearful they killed combatant and non-combatant alike. Some found comical ways to their twisted sense of humor to amuse themselves. This is a sound reason not to start a draft again like some of the democrats want to do.

Why do I say John Kerry? Because he claimed to know first hand of such atrocities, and one time admitted he participated in them!

[Wild Cobra]

Here is a rather common feeling from the US troops in Iraq:

You Tube link:

Army Ranger Calls the Neal Boortz Show

[George Gervin's Afro]

Dodge the subject forum.

so being intellectually dishonest is a good thing? disingenous? My point is that the same group terrorists Yoni uses as reference points to bash the left aslo make similar comments that could be used against the right. I know this may be difficult to understand since your such a hypocrite but to disregard when a terrorist says the Iraq war has been good for them and to then turn around and say, " but,but,but, osama said the same things the dems said.." so the dems are bad... is hypocritical. . whatever dude. Some people here are either blatant hypocrites or just plain ignorant when they selectivey pick a terrorists words to justify their position...


I guess I will have to find where a terrorist says Iraq had been a boon for them and you guys on the right will have to swallow that as fact and just keep quiet. because since a terrorist says it then it must be true..

[Findog]

Howard Bloom (no conservative, he) once expressed anger at mainstream journalism in a long essay.

I paraphrase, but he mentioned that mainstream journalism during Vietnam went to great pains to bring Western atrocities to light but ignored those committed by the Communists. Bloom came to find out that the Communist atrocities were more frequent and more severe.

Who gives a ? Western atrocities are paid for with our tax dollars, communists, not so much. Can you grasp the distinction there?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Al-Iraqi, speaking with a scarf hiding his face, says the U.S.-led wars in Afghanistan and Iraq have created "two fronts" for recruiting terrorists to the cause of Usama bin Laden and Taliban leader Mullah Omar

I guess since we are going to use terrorists words as gospel then the dems have been right in saying that Iraq has been a boon to recruiting terrorists. Great Bush you made things worse and you have been a great help to the terrorist by being their biggest recruiter.

[xrayzebra]

I guess since we are going to use terrorists words as gospel then the dems have been right in saying that Iraq has been a boon to recruiting terrorists. Great Bush you made things worse and you have been a great help to the terrorist by being their biggest recruiter.

Why GGA. everyone knows it is the
United States that is at fault. We are
the big evil of the world. All others
are they way they are because of us.
Just ask boutons, he knows.

[Yonivore]

I guess I will have to find where a terrorist says Iraq had been a boon for them...

Please do.

And, then, see if he still holds that view after the war.

[Oh, Gee!!]

so a guy who spied first for the commies, then against them is a person to be trusted? guy sounds like a flip-flopper to me

[George Gervin's Afro]

Please do.

And, then, see if he still holds that view after the war.

Al-Iraqi, speaking with a scarf hiding his face, says the U.S.-led wars in Afghanistan and Iraq have created "two fronts" for recruiting terrorists to the cause of Usama bin Laden and Taliban leader Mullah Omar

[Yonivore]

so a guy who spied first for the commies, then against them is a person to be trusted? guy sounds like a flip-flopper to me

Yet another similarity to John Kerry.

[Oh, Gee!!]

Yet another similarity to John Kerry.

so why would you, great skeptic of our times, trust what either one says?

[Yonivore]

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'bout sums up George's argument.

Anyway, either this guy is truthful or the atrocities described by Kerry happened. And, if they happened, let's all remember he confessed to have been involved in some of them.

Let's also not forget that, like Beauchamp in this generation, many of the "Winter Soldiers" turned out to be ing liars too.

We can also remember the North Vietnamese who enshrined Kerry as one of their leading propagandists and who hold him in high esteem for lending a hand in breaking the American people just before the American military broke them.

Nice legacy that Kerry has, eh?

[Yonivore]

so why would you, great skeptic of our times, trust what either one says?

I don't but, a preponderance of the evidence tends to show Kerry is as this guy says. And, it's not based on his word alone but on much of the historical record from the Vietnam War.

[Oh, Gee!!]

I get it--you don't like Kerry.

[Yonivore]

I get it--you don't like Kerry.

That's true. But, you don't get it.

[Oh, Gee!!]

I don't but, a preponderance of the evidence tends to show Kerry is as this guy says. And, it's not based on his word alone but on much of the historical record from the Vietnam War.

a preponderance of the evidence of course being one former spy's [and former mortal enemy's] opinion. cool.

[clambake]

'bout sums up George's argument.

Anyway, either this guy is truthful or the atrocities described by Kerry happened. And, if they happened, let's all remember he confessed to have been involved in some of them.

Let's also not forget that, like Beauchamp in this generation, many of the "Winter Soldiers" turned out to be ing liars too.

We can also remember the North Vietnamese who enshrined Kerry as one of their leading propagandists and who hold him in high esteem for lending a hand in breaking the American people just before the American military broke them.

Nice legacy that Kerry has, eh?

don't look over there, focus on Kerry.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I get it--you don't like Kerry.

conservatives good- everyone else bad. that sums up yoni's existence on this board.

[Yonivore]

a preponderance of the evidence of course being one former spy's [and former mortal enemy's] opinion. cool.

Actually, no. The evidence against Kerry goes back to his lying testimony before the Senate in 1971 all the way through his lying about his lies, during the 2004 presidential campaign.

All this guy confirms is the obvious...Kerry's a liar.

[Yonivore]

conservatives good- everyone else bad. that sums up yoni's existence on this board.

You're such a ing simpleton. I pity your family...if, in fact, you have one.