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I knew Ghost would come in talking his "they should have fouled them" take.
Mang, that's not the answer to everything that has ever gone wrong with the Spurs.
I had to wait a full 24 hours before posting after last night's disgrace.
I guess we've learned nothing from 0.4.
I suppose Ginobili and Parker can't take pressure off Duncan in 4th quarters yet.
And I guess it's true that offensively-challenged Bruce Bowen can't stop elite players from going for off any better than more well-rounded swingmen.
Finally, Popovich still can't figure out how to hang on to leads late.
I hate to bring it up again, but the Spurs could've prevented McGrady from hitting any of those three 3-pointers by fouling so he couldn't shoot them.
I have to admit that I was almost rooting for McGrady to stick it to the Spurs.
That's how digusted I was in the final 2 minutes of that game.
Awful.
I knew Ghost would come in talking his "they should have fouled them" take.
Mang, that's not the answer to everything that has ever gone wrong with the Spurs.
I know that's not the answer to everything, but I play to win games.
I'd rather manipulate the rules that look like a bunch of f'n suckas.
Again.
Foul for krissakes.
Did Derek Fisher teach us nothing?
If the Spurs get in a free-throw shooting contest, they lose 90% of the time.
We're The Spurs.©
True dat.
But tell me a part of you didn't feel like you were watching a train wreck after McGrady's first 3 down the stretch.
I kept waiting for the other foot to drop.
And where was your stopper Bowen?
I can't remember the last time he held a good shooter in check.
Try 95% of Spurs games or the first 47 minutes of that Rockets game.
No way.
Kobe and Peja and Ray Allen always get their numbers against Bowen.
And Bowen doesn't make them work on the other end.
And if Bowen can't stop T-Mac when it matters, then get him the F' out of the game and off the team.
Barry si being mismanaged like Ward was.
Pop does not have any patience for players who don't "get it" immediately.
And the regular season is meant for getting guys ingrained and not benched.
P.S.
Instead of letting T-Mac rain 3s, how about a foul?
Ray Allen has owned Bruce Bowen this year but other than TMac's miracle shots, point to another game where the other team's big scorer went off.
Ghost, TMac was something like 8-for-25 up until hitting his last few shots. Bowen was doing a good job on him.
It would be easier for you to name a top perimeter scorer that Bowen actually held in check.
P.S.
Your boy Brown played well last night until he stupidly passed the ball to Duncan who got fouled down the stretch and then turned the ball over on the critical play.
Define "good job"?
Most swingmen will yield 25-35 pts. to a top scorer.
That's what Bowen does.
Difference is, even guys like Eric Williams can score 10-20 in return.
Bowen don't.
BS.Most swingmen will yield 25-35 pts. to a top scorer.
That's what Bowen does.
McGrady was the first opponent to score over 30 points on the Spurs.
Did they not teach you math at Quinnipiac?
Ghost, you talk so nonsensical. Bowen yielding 25 points on 35% shooting is better than someone else yielding 25 points on 50% shooting.
Also Eric Williams averages 11ppg and Bowen 7 or 8.
25, 26, 27, 28 and 29 are between 25-35 PPG.
Bowen's +/- scoring differential is lower that most every other starter at his position.
I don't give a d@mn if a guy scores 50 pts. on 2% shooting.
The bottom line is that Bowen gives up relatively the same amount of points as the average starter at his position, yet scores significantly less.
P.S.
Kori, not too many league leaders in scoring at the SG/SF spots shoot anywhere close to 50%. Be fair.
That in a nuts explains your problem. If a guy still gets his points but has to take more shots to get them -- that's good D. If you make a guy take more shots -- that takes more shot opportunities from the rest of his team and thus makes it more likely you'll win. That's why FG% defense is so important.I don't give a d@mn if a guy scores 50 pts. on 2% shooting.
The bottom line is that Bowen gives up relatively the same amount of points as the average starter at his position, yet scores significantly less.
Yeah they shoot 40-45% -- but they get a lot of 50%+ nights on guys that aren't good defenders.Kori, not too many league leaders in scoring at the SG/SF spots shoot anywhere close to 50%
Why is it bad
that a guy takes 30 shots to get 25.
THats like what, 11 shots away from other players that could give the team more points??
This isnt worth arguing.
Rooting for the Spurs to loose??
Your officially not a spurs fan I see.
Bowen is there as a defensive presence.
Duncan, Manu and Parker are the scoring options. Bowen comes through usually when needed.
He ain't the ing problem. The problem lies at center and point guard position. Lack of veteranship. Parker goes in the tank and the boy is called upon.
Nice plan.
I'd judge Bowen's defensive capabilities by whether or not he's holding the opposition to below their scoring average.Ray Allen has owned Bruce Bowen this year but other than TMac's miracle shots, point to another game where the other team's big scorer went off.
Throwing out Ray Ray and Tmac lighting him up (not sure how you can throw them out, they account for 3 of our 4 losses), you've got (season scoring average in parentheses):
11/22 Bonzi Wells 10-17 FG, 2-3 3 pts, 26 points (12.0)
11/30 Josh Howard 7-15 FG, 0-1 3, 17 points (11.0)
11/26 Carmelo Anthony 9-22, 0-1, 24 points (20.5)
11/21 Morriss Peterson 4-7, 3-5, 16 points (7.5)
11/19 Paul Pierce 8-12, 1-3, 25 points (21.4)
I also think it's hard to judge because we haven't exactly played the cream of the crop in the league this year to date.
Wells hit his shots against Barry and Manu and I don't think Bowen played 1 second against Mo Pete. Bowen didn't play in the fourth quarter of that game ... when Peterson was in.
Disclaimer: I'm not taking Ghost's side one way or another. I think Bowen has done a good job in all but about 5-6 games this year on the defensive end (about as well as can be expected in this league).
My beef with Bowen is his continued efforts to try and develop an all-around game at the expense of taking shots from our legit scorers, and that we run more plays for him offensively (via pick and roll mainly) each game than we do for Rasho or Barry.
The Spurs have never called a play for Bowen to run a pick and roll. It's happened a few times with the shot clock running down, but never planned.
In his history with the Spurs, Pop maybe has drawn up five plays for him.
Maybe.
The Spurs did not choke, they hit almost every FT. Tmac just went nuts, is all....nobody could have stopped him without a gun.
Again you bring up the Fisher shot.
97% of the people that post here, plus 100% of the media said it would have been a bad idea to foul fisher given the situation and the slim chance he had of hitting that shot versus shooting two FTs. Get over it already!
Nevertheless, I agree with you on the Rockets game. It was pretty obvious that TMac was going hot from beyond the arc. I would've asked every Spur to foul the bas as soon as he a touches the ball. Furthermore, leave every Rocket open (they weren't hitting ) and swarm on TMac.
It has already been said but its woth while repeating. We were hitting our FTs!
If you foul TMac, and make the last 30 sec a FT contest, there is no way the Rockets win (it a question of of simple math; we hit two, they hit two, we win by six pts).
Smeagol, you are full of it. Not 97%, more like 99.999999999999%
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