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1. Magic
2. Isiah
3. Stockton
4. Beno
5. Kidd
6. Payton
7. Nash
8. Cousy
9. Cheeks
10. Hardaway
Since my knowledge of the History of this game is not as exhaustive as some of you, i'd like to know what are your top 10 PG ever.
Sorry if this thread appears to be quite boooring and / or useless for some of you... just ignore it then
1. Magic
2. Isiah
3. Stockton
4. Beno
5. Kidd
6. Payton
7. Nash
8. Cousy
9. Cheeks
10. Hardaway
Well, my top PGs of all time are:
(10) Gus Williams
(9) Maurice Cheeks
(8) Gary Payton
(7) Nate Archibald
(6) Jason Kidd
(5) Bob Cousy
(4) Isiah Thomas
(3) Steve Nash
(2) John Stockton
(1) Magic Johnson
I hope this helps!
1) Jason Kidd
2) Steve Nash
3) Derek Harper
4) Sam Cassell
5) Jason Terry
6) Devin Harris
7) Brad Davis
8) Jose Juan-Barea
9) Mike Iuzzolino
10) Howard Eisley
1) Magic
2) Oscar Robertson
3) Isiah Thomas
4) Jason Kidd
5) John Stockton
6) Bob Cousy
7) Tiny Archibald
8) Gary Payton
9) Walt Frazier
10) Lenny Wilkens/Steve Nash
1. Raymond Felton
2. Adam Morrison running point
3. the rest are flukes
are you talking about Tim Hardaway at 10th???
If we cast aside longevity, Penny in his prime?
IMO Penny could be up there with the greatest....
Statistically, Robertson should be first or second on any list. There's really no comparison. I understand that few, if any, of us ever saw the Big O play, but any list without him would have to be entirely subjective.
I have also seen Robertson listed as a shooting guard, which may be part of the problem. My understanding is that he was always the point guard with Cincinnatti. I'm not sure about his time with the Bucks.
I'm definitely talking about Tim Hardaway. #12 all-time in assists, and averaged over 17 and 8 for his career -- and those numbers are brought down by his last 3-4 years when he was a s of his former self. And he was the owner of the sickest crossover in NBA history. And a phobe!!!
I always considered him a shooting guard. Same with Walt Frazier. Same with Lenny Wilkens.
I just had this discussion with someone...
The fact is, while the other positions are not up for that much debate, aside from a little bit of personal taste and bias, the PG position remained something we couldn't even start discussing.
I have never seen most of the great PG's play. Another issue is that of all the positions, the PG's could arguably have played in any era, as size and athleticism is usually not an issue.
I pointed out, first, that Magic has 5 les, but played with the most prolific scorer in NBA history (so far). I also pointed out that that prolific scorer never won without one of the arguably, top 2 pg's in history (Magic and Oscar). Then I pointed out the top 2 assist-men of all time, Stockton and Mark Jackson. Jackson was no super-guard, he just lasted forever. But Stockton was savvy, had a little clutch in him, was a true leader, and made good decisions. He also had the 2nd most prolific scorer of all time on his team in Karl.
People also shouldn't forget that Avery Johnson is the only PG to average 7 APG to win a le after the Magic Johnson era. Only the PF Scottie Pippen matched that.
Isiah Thomas was a prototype for modern NBA PG's.
Kidd is a truly amazing specimen.
Cousy was probably pretty good, I mean he won a bunch of les, but had a bunch of talent on that team...
However, I don't see either Hardaway on that list. Nor do I see Mark Jackson, or Gary Payton. I would put Nash ahead of Payton in a heartbeat. What has Gary done? I didn't even know who he was until I saw a Best Damn commercial calling him a human trash can, and I WATCHED the 1996 NBA Finals.
i used to love the player but still i'd rank Parker over him now.... and being a phobe is not helping IMO
He's done quite a bit. All-Star caliber at BOTH ends of the floor in his prime. I'd definitely take prime Payton over Nash.
1. Magic
2. Isiah
3. Stockton
4. Robertson
5. Kidd
6. Payton
7. Nash
8. Cousy
9. Cheeks
10. Hardaway
Neither Tim Hardaway nor Tony Parker are anywhere near the top 10 PGs of all time. Saying TP is near this list is like saying Ron Harper is up at #10 because he won like 4 les and was a good piece on two championship dynasties. Ron won because of MJ and Shaq, and Tony won because of TD.
Doesn't anybody remember the series with the Suns when Marbury went off on him? Or when J.Kidd did the same in the '03 Finals? Or even when Chauncey Billups did it in '05 and regular season '06. The guy is a no-talent ass clown.
(Just kidding about the no-talent part)
But he deserves to be, at best, #15 on a list like this. Guys like Magic, Kidd and Nash are in the stratosphere compared to Parker. IMO, so is Gary Payton, because he not only had a comparable inside game, but also had all-league defense and clutch shooting his whole career (not just after the team got him his own shooting coach, a la TP).
apparently you didn't watch any other basketball that season.
Gary Payton in his prime was a no brainer top 10 PG of all time.
1. Magic
2. Oscar Robertson
3. John Stockton
4. Isaiah Thomas
5. Jason Kidd
6. Steve Nash
7. Clyde Frazier
8. Bob Cousy
9. Mark Jackson
10. Kevin Johnson (g@y)/Tim Hardaway (h0m0phobe)...ironic that they were basically the same player
Clearly, the ridiculous phobe comments are not helping his rep, but he was better than Parker.
Look at Hardaway's numbers:
1990 14.7 & 8.7
1991 22.9 & 9.7
1992 23.4 & 10.0
1993 21.5 & 10.6
1994 missed season with injury
1995 20.1 & 9.3
1996 15.2 & 8.0
1997 20.3 & 8.6
1998 18.9 & 8.3
1999 17.4 & 7.3
Parker has never averaged more than 6.1 assists in a season and his highest scoring average was 18.9. Plus, Parker is about 1/10th as clutch as Hardaway was. Tim Hardaway was a beast, and one of the most underrated players of the last 20 years.
There was a time when Penny was considered the best player in the league...and that's WITH Michael playing! I hated to agree, but that guy was just SICK in his prime.
never said Tony was part of a top 10 PG list... but if Tim Hardaway is part of it... than... Beno is an allstar
Very astute... you are correct, the 1996 NBA Finals was my first exposure to NBA basketball.
However, the 1996 WCF must have been Mr. Payton's peak, because I don't remember ever hearing from him again until he became a Laker, and I didn't quite understand the big deal about it... I was more enamored with Shawn Kemp, Detlef Schrempf, and Sam Perkins than I was with Payton. Oh, and he resurfaced in 2006 when he hit a wide open 3 in the ECF...
You can't really tell much from lists, in my opinion.
Magic Johnson was the best so far with his all-around game, compe iveness and flair for entertainment at the same time. No one like him. Actually, Michael Jordan is the only player in his class but Michael was definitely a score-first guard.
It's very difficult to rank them because of different eras and styles in those eras.
Bob Cousy, Slater Martin and Guy Rodgers were the best of the early NBA. Martin won 5 championships. 4 rings were with Minneapolis with Mikan but he was a great little playmaker, regardless of where he played.
Oscar Robertson of the 60s and early 70s was Mr. Triple Double. Walt Frazier was a step below O. If Earl Monroe was on TV, I was there. He was a magician with the ball and clearly the most exciting player in the league until Maravich and Tiny Archibald hit the scene. (Maravich wasn't a PG but he was exciting to watch and you didn't notice the other players much when he was on the court).
Stockton is probably the best example of a pure PG. He rates right up there near the top and he was the best assists man all-time...period.
Isaiah Thomas, Gary Payton and Kevin Johnson are all to be mentioned in the next tier. They could play at both ends with a leaning toward scoring first. Payton was the best defender of those three, of course.
J-Kidd is generally considered the best PG over the past decade although his shooting percentage has been a bit of an issue for him. He is the closest thing there is to the Big O in the "balance" department. He's today's Mr. Triple Double. Steve Nash has been right there with Jason offensively, if not ahead of him over the past 4 seasons. Steve's weakness, as we all know, is when he doesn't have the ball and is playing D.
Tony Parker may be the next to break into the top 10 or 12 scoring PGs of all time. He's positioned himself after the past 2 seasons. Playing in the Spurs' system and considering his style, he will never get high assist totals.
For the record, I do have Beno at #4 on my list.
two questions:
Wasn´t Jerry west a PG?I think he was.(If so he should be on that list)
another question
What about Mark Price?I know His Injuries didnt make him play all He could´ve have too,but still a heck of a PG.
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