Yoni sighting at democrat function

[George Gervin's Afro]

After years of being criticized for the failed universal health-care plan she crafted during her husband's first term in office, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) apparently has had enough.

During a forum at the National Association of Black Journalists convention in Las Vegas, Clinton was asked why as a candidate for president she is "still insisting" on bringing "socialized medicine" to the United States, when people are "pulling away" from similar systems in Canada and Great Britain. Worse, the questioner said, such systems hurt rather than help poor people.

"That was a string of misrepresentations about me and about the systems in other countries," Clinton started. "Number one, I have never advocated socialized medicine, and I hope all the journalists here heard that loudly and clearly because that has been a right-wing attack on me for 15 years."

Clinton's plan, which died in Congress in 1994, would have required employers to provide health-care coverage to employees through health-maintenance organizations. Insurance firms opposed the proposal, as did political conservatives who thought it removed health care -- a huge portion of the nation's economy -- from the compe ive marketplace.

"Do you think Medicare is socialized medicine?" Clinton asked her inquisitor, who did not identify himself.

"To a degree," he responded.

"Well, then you are in a small minority in America," Clinton said to applause, before explaining that Medicare allows patients to choose their doctors even though the federal government foots the bill with money deducted from workers' paychecks.

Clinton then asserted that "on balance," countries with uniform national systems of health care, including Japan, Australia and Canada, offer better health care than the United States. The answer left her questioner shaking his head in disagreement.

"I can give you the statistics, and you can shake your head," Clinton said sharply. "You come and introduce yourself to the staff. And we'll try to give you some information if you're interested in being educated instead of being rhetorical."

Well there! She emphatically told the yoni's, ray's, WC's of the world that she has no intention of socializing healthcare in the USA..

[Yonivore]

Well there! She emphatically told the yoni's, ray's, WC's of the world that she has no intention of socializing healthcare in the USA..

Medicare is socialized medicine. So was her healthcare plan.

If it wasn't socialized medicine than Castro isn't a communist.

Single payer (the single payer being the government with our tax dollars) healthcare is socialized medicine. Period. Remove the ability of you and me to seek private health care by making it illegal for doctors to operate outside the single-payer system (as her '92-'93 plan did) is either fascist or communist, take your pick.

You're an idiot if you believe the story you just posted vindicates Hillary Clinton on Health care. I just love the fact you decided to bold her emphatic denial as proof while leaving the actual explanation of how what she proposes isn't socialized medicine alone.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Medicare is socialized medicine. So was her healthcare plan.

If it wasn't socialized medicine than Castro isn't a communist.

Single payer (the single payer being the government with our tax dollars) healthcare is socialized medicine. Period. Remove the ability of you and me to seek private health care by making it illegal for doctors to operate outside the single-payer system (as her '92-'93 plan did) is either fascist or communist, take your pick.

You're an idiot if you believe the story you just posted vindicates Hillary Clinton on Health care. I just love the fact you decided to bold her emphatic denial as proof while leaving the actual explanation of how what she proposes isn't socialized medicine alone.

her emphatic denial? what else is there to believe? you and your ilk won't accept what dems say, you would rather assign motives and then shadowbox with quotes...

speaking of idiots

Im not the one who takes quotes out of context and puts words in people's mouths. you are also an idiot for assumig you know what motives people have when clearly you have no idea. either that or your stupid. which is it? are an idiot or just to stupid to see what a hypocrite you are?

[Yonivore]

her emphatic denial? what else is there to believe?

"Number one, I have never advocated socialized medicine, and I hope all the journalists here heard that loudly and clearly because that has been a right-wing attack on me for 15 years."

Have you even read the text of the HillaryCare, as proposed in 1993? Because, that's what else there is to believe.

you and your ilk won't accept what dems say, you would rather assign motives and then shadowbox with quotes...

Well, here's some things I accept that this Democrat has said:

"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."
Hillary Clinton
June 29, 2004

"It’s time to replace an 'on your own' society with one based on 'shared responsibility and prosperity.'"
Hillary Clinton
May 29, 2007

"The same with energy. You know, we can’t keep talking about our dependence on foreign oil and the need to deal with global warming and the challenge that it poses to our climate and to God’s creation and just let business as usual go on, and that means something has to be taken away from some people."
Hillary Clinton
June 5, 2007

"I want to take those profits. And I want to put them into a strategic energy fund..."
Hillary Clinton
February 2, 2007

Although this went mostly unnoticed, one of the most shocking exchanges of this campaign season occurred yesterday.

Socialist candidate Hillary Clinton jumped all over a questioner at the National Association of Black Journalists Convention yesterday when he dared to ask Hillary about her plans to socialize medicine.

Say Anything captured the whole exchange, has the vidio, and adds this:

The health care system Hillary Clinton and her fellow Democrats support consists of taking wealth from everyone (or, more accurately, the top 50% of wage-earners who pay all the taxes) and redistributing it to everyone in the form of medical care. Wealth redistribution, put simply. And what is socialism if not wealth redistribution?

That Hillary and her fellow populist commissar-wannabes find this label inconvenient for their political agendas is neither here nor there.

The man obviously struck a vein when he slapped the Socialist label on Mrs. Clinton.

Hillary can try to paint that pig any color she wants- it's still pig and she's still a socialist.

Rob Port has much more.

George Gervin's Afro]speaking of idiots

Yeah, it appears you haven't paid much attention to Hillary Clinton over the years. Can't wait until you read her College thesis led, "There is Only the Fight...," An analysis of the Alinsky Model.

That should be a real eye-opener for you.

But, maybe you just don't understand socialism.

Im not the one who takes quotes out of context and puts words in people's mouths. you are also an idiot for assumig you know what motives people have when clearly you have no idea. either that or your stupid. which is it? are an idiot or just to stupid to see what a hypocrite you are?

Put all those quotes back in context for me and explain how she's not a socialist for believing it is the government's job to take money from me and give it to someone else.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Have you even read the text of the HillaryCare, as proposed in 1993? Because, that's what else there is to believe.


Well, here's some things I accept that this Democrat has said:

"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."
Hillary Clinton
June 29, 2004

"It’s time to replace an 'on your own' society with one based on 'shared responsibility and prosperity.'"
Hillary Clinton
May 29, 2007

"The same with energy. You know, we can’t keep talking about our dependence on foreign oil and the need to deal with global warming and the challenge that it poses to our climate and to God’s creation and just let business as usual go on, and that means something has to be taken away from some people."
Hillary Clinton
June 5, 2007

"I want to take those profits. And I want to put them into a strategic energy fund..."
Hillary Clinton
February 2, 2007

Although this went mostly unnoticed, one of the most shocking exchanges of this campaign season occurred yesterday.

Socialist candidate Hillary Clinton jumped all over a questioner at the National Association of Black Journalists Convention yesterday when he dared to ask Hillary about her plans to socialize medicine.

Say Anything captured the whole exchange, has the vidio, and adds this:


The man obviously struck a vein when he slapped the Socialist label on Mrs. Clinton.

Hillary can try to paint that pig any color she wants- it's still pig and she's still a socialist.

Rob Port has much more.


Yeah, it appears you haven't paid much attention to Hillary Clinton over the years. Can't wait until you read her College thesis led, "There is Only the Fight...," An analysis of the Alinsky Model.

That should be a real eye-opener for you.

But, maybe you just don't understand socialism.


Put all those quotes back in context for me and explain how she's not a socialist for believing it is the government's job to take money from me and give it to someone else.

The first 2 links you provide are lame and inaccurate. The first one is a right wing website with an agenda who pulls that quote out of nowehere and assigns motives to it.

the second one you posted wasn't the whole comment (you are very good at taking things oot of context). why don't you just post her comments within the speech or interview she was giving? if you truly want to convince people you should give them the whole stry and not just what you want them to see

...because an uninsured person who goes to the hospital is more likely to die than an insured person. I mean, that is a fact. So what do we do? We have to build a political consensus. and that requires people giving up a little bit of their own turf in order to create this common ground. The same with energy. You know, we can’t keep talking about our dependence on foreign oil and the need to deal with global warming and the challenge that it poses to our climate and to God’s creation and just let business as usual go on, and that means something has to be taken away from some people.

do you agree or disgree with the first part of her statement? why do I ask? because it is relevent to the portion of her statemnt you posted... there needs to be some collective sacrifice to ensure that we remain a strong nation... that is what she ststing. a political compromise?

Presidential hopeful Hillary Rodham Clinton outlined a broad economic vision Tuesday, saying it’s time to replace an “on your own” society with one based on shared responsibility and prosperity.
The Democratic senator said what the Bush administration touts as an “ownership society” really is an “on your own” society that has widened the gap between rich and poor.

“I prefer a ‘we’re all in it together’ society,” she said. “I believe our government can once again work for all Americans. It can promote the great American tradition of opportunity for all and special privileges for none.”

That means pairing growth with fairness, she said, to ensure that the middle-class succeeds in the global economy, not just corporate CEOs.

“There is no greater force for economic growth than free markets. But markets work best with rules that promote our values, protect our workers and give all people a chance to succeed,” she said. “Fairness doesn’t just happen. It requires the right government policies.”

again why only the first sentence? why? because put in proper context it doesn't mean what you are trying to portray. I have already established that you take statements out of context to further your agenda. Anyone who continues this as a common practice is either intellectually dishonest or is to stupid to realize what they are doing. which one are you?

[medstudent]

The man obviously struck a vein when he slapped the Socialist label on Mrs. Clinton.

I believe he struck a nerve.

[Yonivore]

The first 2 links you provide are lame and inaccurate. The first one is a right wing website with an agenda who pulls that quote out of nowehere and assigns motives to it.

Are they her quotes or not? Are you suggesting those sources put words in her mouth? Go ahead. Tell me either she never said those things or put them in their proper context that demonstrates they aren't socialist by nature.

the second one you posted wasn't the whole comment (you are very good at taking things oot of context). why don't you just post her comments within the speech or interview she was giving? if you truly want to convince people you should give them the whole stry and not just what you want them to see

...because an uninsured person who goes to the hospital is more likely to die than an insured person. I mean, that is a fact. So what do we do? We have to build a political consensus. and that requires people giving up a little bit of their own turf in order to create this common ground. The same with energy. You know, we can’t keep talking about our dependence on foreign oil and the need to deal with global warming and the challenge that it poses to our climate and to God’s creation and just let business as usual go on, and that means something has to be taken away from some people.

do you agree or disgree woth the first part of her statement? why do I ask? because it is relevent to the portion of her statemnt you posted... there needs to be some collective sacrifice to ensure that we remain a strong nation...

I think it's a safe assumption to make that an uninsured person is more likely to die than is an insured person but, that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with their insurance status. Insured people are also more likely to have other resources they can bring to bear on their medical care -- financial and political. Socialism won't fix that, it'll only make it worse. (See Soviet Union).

But, to your other point, no, it's not relevant to determining whether or not the quote (out of context) is socialist or not. Regardless of the motivations, it is a socialist idea to use government to redistribute the wealth by taking money from one person and giving it to another person. Period. So, no, putting it in context doesn't vindicate Ms. Clinton.

again why only the first sentence? why? because put in propr contyext it doesn't mean what you are trying to portray. I have alreadt established that you take statements out of context to further your agenda. Anyone who continues this as a common practice is intellectually dishonest or is to stupid to realize what they are doing. which one are you?

Again, putting it back in context doesn't make it any less socialist.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Are they her quotes or not? Are you suggesting those sources put words in her mouth? Go ahead. Tell me either she never said those things or put them in their proper context that demonstrates they aren't socialist by nature.


I think it's a safe assumption to make that an uninsured person is more likely to die than is an insured person but, that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with their insurance status. Insured people are also more likely to have other resources they can bring to bear on their medical care -- financial and political. Socialism won't fix that, it'll only make it worse. (See Soviet Union).

But, to your other point, no, it's not relevant to determining whether or not the quote (out of context) is socialist or not. Regardless of the motivations, it is a socialist idea to use government to redistribute the wealth by taking money from one person and giving it to another person. Period. So, no, putting it in context doesn't vindicate Ms. Clinton.


Again, putting it back in context doesn't make it any less socialist.

Bush made the comment that he wasn't worried about osama when he was asked if were going to catch him. remember that? If I just posted Bush "wasn't worried about Osama".. and left it at that.. oh boy you and your sisters would be screaming that it was taken out of context. So I guess if I were to apply that to your standard of today then I could assume Bush doesn't care if we catch osamsa or not..

[Yonivore]

Bush made the comment that he wasn't worried about osama when he was asked if were going to catch him. remember that? If I just posted Bush "wasn't worried about Osama".. and left it at that.. oh boy you and your sisters would be screaming that it was taken out of context. So I guess if I were to apply that to your standard of today then I could assume Bush doesn't care if we catch osamsa or not..

Yeah, but the quote doesn't belie any ideology such as socialism. Putting it in context -- along with the context of his actions -- can help render a conclusion over what he meant.

The quotes I posted of Hillary stand alone and, when placed in context, mean the same socialist things. She believes the government should take money from me and give it to someone else.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Yeah, but the quote doesn't belie any ideology such as socialism. Putting it in context -- along with the context of his actions -- can help render a conclusion over what he meant.

The quotes I posted of Hillary stand alone and, when placed in context, mean the same socialist things. She believes the government should take money from me and give it to someone else.

come on yoni if those statements stood alone? they don't!

If I were to allow myself the same looseness with the truth that you do I could cherry pick interviews and converstaions with Cheney. I could selectively remove a quote or a sentence then put them all on a page and draw a conlcusion. wouldn't I be able to do that? Would that be an honest way of portraying his thoughts?

[Yonivore]

come on yoni if those statements stood alone? they don't!

If I were to allow myself the same looseness with the truth that you do I could cherry pick interviews and converstaions with Cheney. I could selectively remove a quote or a sentence then put them all on a page and draw a conlcusion. wouldn't I be able to do that? Would that be an honest way of portraying his thoughts?

It's not just her quotes. It's the programs she's proposing. They.are.socialist.

You're getting off on a tangential argument about contextualizing quotes. That's all well and good but, I've already defending the way I posted her quote and, I believe, adequately showed where -- when you placed them in context -- it made no difference to what she was expressing in the quote. She was expressing a socialist idea of wealth redistribution, pure and simple.

And nothing in her history as a politician -- or before -- including her thoughts on socialism born out in her college thesis on Alinsky right up to her trying to federalize 20% of the GNP through socialized medicine in the early 90's to the present non-denial denials over her socialist ways will change the fact that she thinks government knows better than the private sector and that it should be the controlling force behind all societal dynamics.

[xrayzebra]

her emphatic denial? what else is there to believe? you and your ilk won't accept what dems say, you would rather assign motives and then shadowbox with quotes...

speaking of idiots

I never had sex with that woman......ring a bell? Spoken
by our first black President, who was a dimm-o-crap!

[George Gervin's Afro]

I never had sex with that woman......ring a bell? Spoken
by our first black President, who was a dimm-o-crap!

ray. go back to sleep. we already know clinton lied under oath ( you have reminded us 100 + times) but thanks for your contribution.

[xrayzebra]

Hey dummy, you ask why we don't believe what dimm-o-craps
say...........They lie, pure and simple......

[George Gervin's Afro]

Hey dummy, you ask why we don't believe what dimm-o-craps
say...........They lie, pure and simple......

ok but bill clinton isn't the only democrat in the country. We're talking about his wife..

[xrayzebra]

ok but bill clinton isn't the only democrat in the country. We're talking about his wife..

They were also going to solve the poverty problem, the
race problem and now they are going to solve the health
problem. How come we still have poverty, race problems
and health problems. After spending about 4 trillion
dollars and counting. How do you say blow hard and
lying. Also how come all these people they were going
help still have problems after, like 40 years, of all these
promises to solve these problems. Ever hear of New
Orleans and Louisiana, controlled by dimm-o-craps and
they have the audacity to blame Bush for all the problems
that occured there. And funny thing happened on the
way to recovery. They really don't like to live in a
dimm-o-craptic controlled enviorment......how come
smart guy?

[George Gervin's Afro]

They were also going to solve the poverty problem, the
race problem and now they are going to solve the health
problem. How come we still have poverty, race problems
and health problems. After spending about 4 trillion
dollars and counting. How do you say blow hard and
lying. Also how come all these people they were going
help still have problems after, like 40 years, of all these
promises to solve these problems. Ever hear of New
Orleans and Louisiana, controlled by dimm-o-craps and
they have the audacity to blame Bush for all the problems
that occured there. And funny thing happened on the
way to recovery. They really don't like to live in a
dimm-o-craptic controlled enviorment......how come
smart guy?

I'll quote your talk radio hero " America is the greatest country that God has given the world".. I guess libs could take credit for some of that ray considering we have inhabitated this country along with the right wingers. So I'll acceptyour appreciation on their behalf. Thanks ray and your welcome.

[xrayzebra]

Attaboy, spoken like a true liberal. You didn't say anything, but
it did sound good, I think. Naw, on second thought, it was a
non-answer. But that is normal for liberal folks. And didn't make
any sense or sound good.

[Yonivore]

ok but bill clinton isn't the only democrat in the country. We're talking about his wife..

The one who said their last presidency was a co-presidency? Two for the price of one and all that? Cool. That helps her alot.

[Yonivore]

I'll quote your talk radio hero " America is the greatest country that God has given the world".. I guess libs could take credit for some of that ray considering we have inhabitated this country along with the right wingers. So I'll acceptyour appreciation on their behalf. Thanks ray and your welcome.

No one said this country was great because of liberals. In fact, I believe it'd be a much greater country without them.

[George Gervin's Afro]

No one said this country was great because of liberals. In fact, I believe it'd be a much greater country without them.

It's not because of us rather we have participated in maing this country great.. It must be difficult as a conservative to be right 100% of the time.. the GOP and Jesus Christ are batting 100%..

[Yonivore]

It's not because of us rather we have participated in maing this country great.. It must be difficult as a conservative to be right 100% of the time.. the GOP and Jesus Christ are batting 100%..

Are you all right, that read like something someone having a stroke might type. It made no sense...even after I corrected the spelling.

[rascal]

Yonivore is owned in this thread.