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Duncan is not the best player in the league...he is the best big man, but I don't think he can carry a team like he could a few years back. With that being said, I still think we will win another le. Ime Udoka will be a star...well maybe not.
jack (pasadena, texas): why do you think the spurs will repeat this year with the likes of the mavericks and suns lurking?
J.A. Adande: Because Tim Duncan is the best player in the league right now.
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Duncan is not the best player in the league...he is the best big man, but I don't think he can carry a team like he could a few years back. With that being said, I still think we will win another le. Ime Udoka will be a star...well maybe not.
He is the best player in the league....
He's prolly not the best scorer... or the flashiest one.. but he can and has carried a team throughout his career...
sure he hasn't done it like in the past but he's still doing it... thus the rings?
okay i'll fall for this one.....
Duncan is not the best player in the league right now. He is probably not in the top 5. He is one of the best players in the league. He is one of the best all around players in the league for sure. He definitely makes his team better and therefore he is one of the best. But consider his supporting cast, Parker and GiNob, they make Timmy better too.
I am in no way saying Duncan is not Great, He IS!!!
But again i go back to the same old argument:
Line up all the GMs and all the players and have each GM make a pick. It is likely that Tim Duncan is not taken until 4th, 5th or 6th.
Not the top 5? Are you in on crack? Who would they take over Tim Duncan? Name one more PROVEN PLAYER in the past 10 years to do what he has done. Nobody, period. He has won 4 seperate championships with 3 completely different teams - he was the center piece of them all. No great player is phenomenal with out their supporting cast - same can be said of Jordan, Kareem, Hakeem, etc. Sorry, but Duncan would be 1st or 2nd (probably only behind Kobe) if you asked any GM.
Don't the GMs have a poll on this one every year?
http://www.insidehoops.com/general-m...y-102506.shtml
Here's one poll from last October. Duncan was one of 5 players receiving votes, with James getting the majority of the votes.
If you were starting a franchise, you'd probably have to go with LeBron due to his skillset and age. If you are trying to win the championship next season, you pick Duncan hands down.
If you're starting a franchise - do you really go with LeBron? Sure, he's good and young - but look what happened to Cleveland. They weren't the best in the East, period - it's freakin suprising they made it as far as they did. If you could guarantee putting a supporting cast around James like one that is around Duncan, I can see that ... but eh, I'm biased.
You're crazy. He is the best all-around player in the League. He's the best defensive player, and he's top 5 on offense.
Line up all the GMs, as you say, and the only reason he wouldn't be the top pick is because of his age. However, if the criteria was who they would take for the next 4 years, he would be the top pick by an almost unanimous vote.
They would take...Kobe, LeBron, Wade, Dirk and Nash... and not take Tim?? C'mon, dude.
The majority of the GMs picked the Spurs to win in 2006-07 in the NBA survey of 30 GMs last October.
http://www.nba.com/preview2006/gmsur...edictions.html
Which team will win NBA Finals 2007?
San Antonio Spurs 42.9%
Dallas Mavericks 28.6%
Miami Heat 14.3%
Others receiving votes: Minnesota, Phoenix, Orlando
duncan is #1.... no if, ands, or buts about it.
Who were the dumbasses who voted for Minnesota and Orlando? Pshh, best "true" bet out of the East was Washington or Toronto.
Duncan is it for me. He's the best all around player, as in both ends of the court. There are players you can name as better on one end or the other but no one, IMO, is better on both.
His age is a factor in the "starting a franchise" game but I see Duncan as a le contender at least a few more years. He's in great shape even with some miles on him. As has been said many times on this board his game doesn't depend on athleticism but rather on his incredible basketball IQ and his drive to win. And his fundamentals aren't so bad either!
Duncan not even in the top 5? Stop your hating. Go ahead and name your 4 or 5 players you would pick before Duncan. I am sure you are going to pick Kobe, Wade, Lebron, and you being a Mavs fan, Dirk Nowinski, Stackhouse or Terry! None of those players come even close to being the man that Tim Duncan is.
Im pretty sure every GM serious about winning a championship would pick Duncan #1 to build his franchise around on.
NBA GM POLL: DEFENSE
1. Who is the best defensive player in the NBA?
Ben Wallace 32%
Ron Artest 29%
Bruce Bowen 25%
Kobe Bryant 11%
Alonzo Mourning 4%
2. Who is the best perimeter defender in the NBA?
Bruce Bowen 39%
Ron Artest 25%
Kobe Bryant 25%
Raja Bell 11%
Others receiving votes: Andrei Kirilenko, Ruben Patterson, Tayshaun Prince, Earl Watson
3. Who is the best interior defender in the NBA?
Ben Wallace 64%
Tim Duncan 18%
Alonzo Mourning 7%
Others receiving votes: Andrei Kirilenko, Shaquille O’Neal, Darko Milicic
All of this and Marcus Camby gets DPOY. Weak.
(From Insidehoops)
8. Who is the best power forward in the NBA?
Tim Duncan 57%
Dirk Nowitzki 25%
Kevin Garnett 14%
Amare Stoudemire 4%
9. Who is the best center in the NBA?
Shaquille O'Neal 75%
Tim Duncan 18%
Others receiving votes: Dwight Howard, Yao Ming
So Timmy is ranked top-2 for TWO POSITIONS. He got the most or the second-most nods in both categories even though he split the vote. If you normalize the stats by assuming that about 22 GMs think Timmy's a 4 and 8 think he's a 5, you see that 78% of voting GMs picked TD for PF (more than picked Bryant or Shaq for their positions) and 68% pick him for C (which moves him into #1).
Tim Duncan: Best in the league at two positions.
I think last year's survey just proved my point:
2. If you were starting a franchise today and could sign any player in the NBA, who would it be?
LeBron James 71%
Dwyane Wade 11%
Others receiving votes: Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan, Dwight Howard
It looks like Timmy was 4th and i said he would be 4th, 5th or 6th.
I think Timmy is in with this group and probably nearer the top than botto:
Lebron, Kobe, Wade, Nash, Howard, Arenas,T-Mac, Dirk, Yao, Carmello, KG
But argument could certainly be made that he would be as low as 4th, 5th or 6th or 7th as the greatest "Current" player.
Dirk won the MVP last year and you don't see me saying he is greater than Kobe or Lebron or even Duncan. So don't have such a complex about it. You have 4 Trophy's and that's what really matters!
The appropriate question should be, "If you were starting a team, who would you DRAFT?"
Who doesn't have Duncan as one or two on that list?
You said Tim probably wasnt in the top 5, and it doesnt say how many votes the guys outside of the top 2 got, so he could very well be 3rd on that list.
If you were starting a team for next year and wanted to win right now, Tim would be the 1st pick hands down.
No one in the league changes the game on both sides of the floor like Tim does.
The only reason Wade and Bron beat guys like Tim and Kobe out are their ages, and thats it
Exactly! You're going to be drafting someone to build your team around for the next 10+ years and someone doesn't have TD #1 or #2 on their list is whack.
Tim's age today would knock him down to some. Who would be ahead of him today. Kobe is fixing to be 29 and he is a cancer. D Wade? Lebron? Melo? Oden or Durant?
The NBA G.M.'s don't that's who.
Again, Timmy is great. He's in the top 4-6 or so.
But if you line them all up and pick a team to win this coming season Timmy would not be one of the first 3 players picked.
And if you lined them all up and said this is your team leader for the next 5 years Timmy wouuld not be one of the first 3 picked.
But again I would not care, because it is about the "Team" not individual greatness. It's about winning Championships.
Monty Williams pulled me aside and told me: "That guy down there" -- meaning Tim Duncan -- "has had surgery on his left knee. He can only jump about this high [holds his fingers about an inch apart]. He won't say a word to you, and he will Bust. Your. A--." [Greg Oden]
That's the way coaches explain TD to new superstars coming into the league.
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