Sweet.
don't you know, Dan? Big Brother is only looking out for our best interests.
You knew it was just a matter of time....
U.S. Turns Spy Satellites on U.S. Citizens
CBS NewsThe Wall Street Journal reports that the Department of Homeland Security has approved a measure to allow federal civilian agencies and law enforcement to turn American spy satellites on their own citizens for the first time.
Until now, the highly sensitive satellites were aimed mostly at other countries, usually ones we didn't really trust. Occasionally, geologists and NASA scientists got to use them to make things like topographical maps. Letting domestic security folks use them to spy is, the Journal says, "uncharted territory."
Officials have been mulling the plan for a couple years, but often bumped up against questions about whether this kind of snooping would violate the Posse Comitatus Act, which bars military for engaging in law-enforcement activity within the U.S., since the satellites are built for and owned by the Defense Department.
The decision was made three months ago by Director of National Intelligence Michael McConnel, and OKed in May by DHS chief Michael Chertoff.
Access to the satellite will be controlled by a new Homeland Security branch, the National Applications Office. As Charles Allen, the DHS's chief intelligence officer who will head up the new program, summed up cryptically, "It is an idea whose time has come."
Naturally, privacy groups are freaking out. Sentences like this one probably don't help. "The full capabilities of these systems are unknown outside the intelligence community, because they are among the most closely held secrets in government."
One privacy advocate complained that it was this secrecy that was the real problem.
"You are talking about enormous power," said Gregory Nojeim, senior counsel and director of the Project on Freedom, Security and Technology for the Center for Democracy and Technology, a nonprofit group advocating privacy rights in the digital age. "Not only is the surveillance they are contemplating intrusive and omnipresent, it's also invisible. And that's what makes this so dangerous."
Black helicopters are sooo 70's. Black satellites is where it's at...
Sweet.
don't you know, Dan? Big Brother is only looking out for our best interests.
Unsurprising. Let the games begin.
The sky is falling, the sky is falling. OOOOOOppppss.... just another
Satellite passing overhead. Back to important things, like
smoking with children in the car and trans-fats..
Couldn't be looking for terrorists with those things, could they? Nah, their looking for mouse's dope and GGA's porn farms.
Seriously, just because they're pointing satellites at CONUS doesn't mean they're spying on Americans.
I say, go for it...I hope the program is successful.
I thought the whole idea was to fight them over there so that we didn't have to fight them here.....and where is the over-sight?....why should this not be used to spy on political enemies?
Well, Dan, those satellites have been passing overhead for quite some time now. Frankly, I find it hard to believe you already don't believe the U. S. Government is using them for nefarious purposes.
Why does revealing domestic uses in a Wall Street Journal article suddenly mean they're going to start something illegal they could have been doing all along...without revealing domestic uses of the satellites?
Just curious.
Given the WSJ new relationship with Rupert Murdoch of FAUX News fame, that's a good question.. Why announce something that we know has been going on covertly anyway?
Former Spook, a former member of the U. S. Intelligence community, at "In From The Cold," handles the issue a little less hysterically than does Nbadan.
Eyes in the Sky
Once you start looking at the realities and limitations (not to mention damn compe ive public sector products, such as Google Earth, this whole exercise doesn't seem so onerous to me.
But, I'm not Nbadan.
Who says it's been going on covertly? That's a presumption you've yet to prove.
If you'll read the article and my previous post, you'll see how idiotic is your paranoia.
All this just in time for 2008 election campaign.
All those Repug political operatives parachuted into FBI/CIA/NSA to chase off and replace career professionals will fish out Demo emails, faxes, telephone conversations from the torrent of private info these agencies are va ming up and feed them to Rove, RNC committee, etc, etc.
Such incredible power to rape privacy without oversight will most certainly be abused.
All (extreme) power always is. With Repugs, have no doubt the abuse will be rampant.
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How long will it be before American political enemies are dubbed "terrorists" or even worse: "enemy combatants"?
With the Bush record of abusing presidential power and injecting politics into every facet of their administration, would you trust this President not to infringe on your rights if it benefited them?
Worse case scenario is this is the beginning of an overt police state where habeas corpus is suspended and Americans are left to rot beyond the jurisdiction of federal courts.
Since the Bush adminstration can't win a war at abroad they have decided to declare war at home - and the enemy combatant is YOU!
LA TimesWASHINGTON --The Bush administration has approved a plan to expand domestic access to some of the most powerful tools of 21st century spycraft, giving law enforcement officials and others the ability to view data obtained from satellite and aircraft sensors that can see through cloud cover and even penetrate buildings and underground bunkers.
A program approved by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the Department of Homeland Security will allow broader domestic use of secret overhead imagery beginning as early as this fall, with the expectation that state and local law enforcement officials will eventually be able to tap into technology once largely restricted to foreign surveillance.
Administration officials say the program will give domestic security and emergency preparedness agencies new capabilities in dealing with a range of threats, including illegal immigration, terrorism, hurricanes and forest fires.
But the program, first described Wednesday by the Wall Street Journal, quickly provoked civil liberties advocates, who said the government was crossing a well-established line separating use of military assets and domestic law enforcement.
Although the federal government has long permitted the use of spy-satellite imagery for certain scientific functions -- such as creating topographic maps or monitoring volcanic activity -- the administration's decision would provide domestic authorities with unprecedented access to high-resolution, real-time satellite photos.
No sweat dan. Just Google Earth
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Yep, there's no check on the executive branch by the legislative or judicial.
Look, it's been widely reported you can log on google earth street view and find all sorts of stuff - even a cop asleep in his car (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...,0.002494&z=19).
So people are worried about 3 meter resolution images from 100 miles up? Come on...
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So that's what Chertoff does. I guess he can't be bothered with minutae such as a Cat 5 'cane headed towards southern Louisiana and Mississippi.
I'm sure a Demo administration will rescind this. Yeah.
oh yeah google earth can be used to spy...
you guys are wee-tah-dud
Yep, the google earth has the car in my driveway I solde over 3 years ago!
Exactly. Google Earth may be many things, but "current" is not one of them.
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