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    The current roster has solid depth in every position, and the key thing is we have some money left to spend in the future.

    I think the team got rid of 97.7% of the dead weight.

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    I could only be happy if Spanoulis was half as good as he was overhyped to be, and then came to fight Parker (Finals MVP) for the starting spot.

    Failing that, hardly has 97.7% of the dead weight been thrown off. Udrih is a far fatter, deader piece than that. Barry is pretty solid dead weight, too, especially with the Udoka signing. Not that Barry is bad or intemperate, but that he makes way too much money and won't get any PT.

    Butler wasn't too much of dead weight, since he wasn't making a lot of money. James White I could give or take. I really don't care. Since we had to burn up Scola to dump the very minor salary of Jackie Butler, that's like burning a ton of incense to blot out a smidgen of dog crap - still an unbelievable trade.

    Drafting Marcus Williams was a poor pick. Especially with Dominic McGuire and others still there.

    The roster is fine. Booting Udrih would make my month, but that's not going to happen.

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    I could only be happy if Spanoulis was half as good as he was overhyped to be, and then came to fight Parker (Finals MVP) for the starting spot.

    Failing that, hardly has 97.7% of the dead weight been thrown off. Udrih is a far fatter, deader piece than that. Barry is pretty solid dead weight, too, especially with the Udoka signing. Not that Barry is bad or intemperate, but that he makes way too much money and won't get any PT.

    Butler wasn't too much of dead weight, since he wasn't making a lot of money. James White I could give or take. I really don't care. Since we had to burn up Scola to dump the very minor salary of Jackie Butler, that's like burning a ton of incense to blot out a smidgen of dog crap - still an unbelievable trade.

    Drafting Marcus Williams was a poor pick. Especially with Dominic McGuire and others still there.

    The roster is fine. Booting Udrih would make my month, but that's not going to happen.
    The Udoka signing was a good, smart acquisition. Definitely makes up for the failed James White experiment. Hopefully, Udoka will integrate quickly enough to earn minutes and eventually pass up Barry in the rotation. Speaking of Barry, perhaps the Spurs are resigned in keeping him on the roster and taking advantage of that expiring contract of his during the next offseason.

    Beno is trash. Only problem is that he seems to be the only one who doesn't know that he needs to improve.

    As for a backup PG, I don't see the fascination with the oft-injured Troy Hudson, I would have much rather they pursued and reacquired Jason Hart. IMO, he would have been a perfect 3rd PG. But he is no longer available.

    Personally, I'd like to see both Beno+Barry packaged for another backup PG and/or future draft pick. Barry's expensive salary alone would bring in a midrange type of player. I simply don't think the Spurs are willing to bring another mid-salaried player. My bet is he stays around for the entire season.

    I don't see Marcus Williams making the squad - which means another wasted 2nd round draft pick. There certainly were better options at the slot, but I digress.

    Other than that, the team is in great shape both talent-wise and financially. They should be poised for a repeat. From that standpoint and if nothing else goes down, I'm OK if they roll into the season with the roster in place now.
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    Yes, so solly.

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    IMO it's hard to know where we stand. PHX series should have gone 7 and we don't even know what would of happened against Dallas.

    Beno needs to go.

    Barry's play does not justify his huge salary.

    I doubt they repeat. Depends how much the "keeping the team together" aspect factors in.

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    Tough crowd, some morons will never be happy with the roster. Barry salary is not huge.

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    Whats with the Barry haters, i cant say he has been great, but he has been solid. Dont you all recall he was starting till he got hurt at end of season? He doesnt put up big numbers, but neiter does Horry and what does he make a year? I like Barry's poise and passing abilities and always surprised how so many want him gone. OF course we need to get younger, but it looks like it wont me till next year. I also think something might happen bewfore the trade deadline for people like Beno, Barry. Who knows.
    Guys been a pretty solid backup and I cant give him grief for that.3

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    Barry's value depends on the stability of the other wing role players on this team.

    Finley turned it on in the latter half of the season last year and provides more defense/size at the position than Barry. BUT, he shot VERY poorly at the outset of the season and that streakiness returned in the playoffs. Who is to say that he's more reliable than Barry?

    And then there is everyone's newly crowned Bowen-replacement. Yes, Udoka is an upgrade over Barry on defense. But, he hasn't held one practice with the current team and hasn't spent one day in the current system. Oh yeah, and there's the llittle question about whether he can shoot having just posted the best numbers of his career (NBA or otherwise) with just over 40% from 3pt land at 30yrs old. Hopefully he catches on quick and those numbers weren't just a fluke....but I wouldn't count on Barry being shisted right away.

    Bottom Line: I'm not saying that come Feb, Barry won't be shed like the winter coat in order to save a couple million bucks....but as of right now, he's still worth quite a bit to this franchise.

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    I'd say yes after we waive/trade Beno

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    They just need to move Beno and I am 100% happy with the roster. But he is just a 3rd string pg on the end of a rookie contact so its not a big deal that they have to move him now.

    I too appriciate the contributions of Bones. I think he should stick around until his contract expires.

    I really like that for the first time the Spurs have a very legitimate chance to repeat.

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    No one is intimating that Barry is trash. Quite the contrary. Highest basketball IQ on the team. Best passer. Not a fantastic defender. Occasionally passes on open shots. But still adds value. If Udoka acclimates well, he should steal minutes from Barry and Finley, moreso than Bowen.

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    so so... i think if we get V-Spunk to play with us and earn secong PG status and ship away Beno would be a smooth off season and maybe sign in a cheap free agent last day like Ely or similar...

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    Spurs still have their big 3 and as long as that's the case, I'll never be disappointed.

    Having said that, I think there are a few areas that could be improved....

    As most have mentioned, Beno is still on this team and Vaughn is the #2 guy. While it's not a bad situation compared to the rest of the league (considering who the #1 guy is), it IS one of the weaker positions on the team.

    The other position of real concern, IMO, is the center position. Oberto is the ultimate role player, but he won't/can't average 30MPG. The other guy (Elson) is garbage, and the Spurs dealt away their young insurance policy (Butler) to re-sign a guy that duplicates a talent already on this team (Bonner).

    I actually think the depth at the wing position is a plus, which is why the Spurs could afford to flip Barry to address one of those more pertinent needs if Udoka does indeed pan out and if Fin shows consistency.

    Bottom Line: As long as the Big 3 are around, I'm content. I'd be exstatic if the Spurs could address their weaknesses at the 1 & 5.

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    It is the 12 man line-up from last year plus Udoka so far.

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    Finley made about 20 million last year and the big 3 made alot. Barry and Finley played about the same most of the year.

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    Fox needs to catch up. Splitter and Spanoulis are all set for Europe in 2007-08.

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    It is the 12 man line-up from last year plus Udoka so far.
    Yep...you got it.

    So, same potential issues as last year but with added depth at the wing, because Udoka is more likely to get regular PT than Eric Williams was last year.

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    Derrick McKey is not walking through that door. Stephen Jackson is not walking through that door. Hedo Turkoglu is not walking through that door.
    It is the 12 man NBA championship line-up from last year plus Udoka so far.
    Corrected for truth.

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    I like how the front-page ESPN NBA article refers to Udoka as Portland's "Sniper". That alone makes me satisfied with this offseason.

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    As long as the team plays it like last year and stays healthy then I see no reason why they wouldn't be fresh come playoffs and the most precise, deadly team in the league.

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    If Udoka acclimates well, he should steal minutes from Barry and Finley, moreso than Bowen.
    Spurs play 5 wings rotation? that would be the first time since I can remember.
    so Pop changes the system he played forever, just to get Udoka into the rotation?

    it's either Manu-Bowen-Finley-Udoka or Manu-Bowen-Finley-Barry.
    there is nothing in between. the 5th wing player has always been kind of injury reserve, if the others are healthy, he get's 5-10 minutes.
    I'm also sure Udoka will take the place of Barry in the rotation. Barry will probably take the spot of Beno, otherwise I can't see him get any minutes.
    so or so, the salary of 5.5 million for 5th wing or 3rd PG is to high, considering it's the kind of money that would allow to aquire a useful combo forward, or a better back up PG, or a better center.

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    I like how the front-page ESPN NBA article refers to Udoka as Portland's "Sniper". That alone makes me satisfied with this offseason.
    This is what worries me. He shot just over 40% on the season last year and wasn't known as a gunner even in his NBADL days.

    I HOPE that last year's numbers were not a fluke. Jacque Vaughn came in and improved his jumpshot, so there is definitely hope that Udoka won't have been just a one-year quasi-gunner.

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    Udoka shot 31% from the arc his final year in the D-League.

    Amazing what a quality post scorer can do for a perimeter player's three-point percentage.

    If only we had one of those guys on the Spurs....

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    yeah spurs traded that player away in scola

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