Duncan vs KG debate from a neutral fan base

[Kamnik]

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtop...705104&start=0

Some crazy Duncan love from raptors fans.

Most of them gave such respect to TD i had a smile on my face whole time while reading the responses.







Took casual fans outside SA 10 years and 4 rings to see the truth.

[Obstructed_View]

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[Solid D]

Kamnik, do you have a link to those sentiments?

[Kamnik]

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im a noob poster i guess

i forgot to paste the link after writing the post

fixed it

[phxspurfan]

Honestly, If I wanted to take a nap I'd throw on a Tim Duncan Highlight Reel. Sure, he's probably the best player of the three, but if I had to choose (for right now) I'd take Garnett - Guy can Ball still. I'd rather my team be entertaining, but that's just me.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

Alwasy felt that KG never had as a good a chance as td. td has always had great surrounding players, coaches. KG had an Okay team with Spree and Cassell but it was never near as good as it was made out to be - they seriously overachieved.

[ggoose25]

Duncan isn't black enough for people to like him.

[exstatic]

Alwasy felt that KG never had as a good a chance as td. td has always had great surrounding players, coaches. KG had an Okay team with Spree and Cassell but it was never near as good as it was made out to be - they seriously overachieved.

I am WAY sick of this .

Starbury
Gugliotta
Brandon
Sczerbiak
Cassell

These are folks who were All Stars while playing with KG.

DRob
Tony
Manu, once

These are folks who were All Stars while playing with Tim.

KG's problem has never been his supporting cast, it's the fact that he's a part of it. He disappears in crunch time.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

I am WAY sick of this .

Starbury
Gugliotta
Brandon
Sczerbiak
Cassell

These are folks who were All Stars while playing with KG.

DRob
Tony
Manu, once

These are folks who were All Stars while playing with Tim.

KG's problem has never been his supporting cast, it's the fact that he's a part of it. He disappears in crunch time.

For the most part you are right, he still COULD have won with some of those teams - but's it's stretch to say that they were anywhere near as likely to win a championship as any of the Spurs teams - except that one year where he had spree and cassell, just maybe)

Those other teams were bordeline contenders, though. It's a fact.

But we've seen what Flip can accomplish with good teams. Nothing. (see pistons)

They could have been contenders had they had decent coach who was able to utilize the role players and mold them around Garnett better.

(coaching strategy AND discipline has a lot to do with which teams do/do not reach their potential i.e. Suns)

It's what Popovich gives the Spurs, and he does it so well that he is half the reason why the Spurs have been as successful as they have been and are up to now.

And he gets NO ing respect.

And I am WAY sick of that

[Texas_Ranger]

NIce.

[judaspriestess]

nice, thanks for posting!!

[TheAuthority]

For the most part you are right, he still COULD have won with some of those teams - but's it's stretch to say that they were anywhere near as likely to win a championship as any of the Spurs teams - except that one year where he had spree and cassell, just maybe)

Those other teams were bordeline contenders, though. It's a fact.

But we've seen what Flip can accomplish with good teams. Nothing. (see pistons)

They could have been contenders had they had decent coach who was able to utilize the role players and mold them around Garnett better.

(coaching strategy AND discipline has a lot to do with which teams do/do not reach their potential i.e. Suns)

It's what Popovich gives the Spurs, and he does it so well that he is half the reason why the Spurs have been as successful as they have been and are up to now.

And he gets NO ing respect.

And I am WAY sick of that

Popovich shouldn't get any credit. He doesn't deserve it. The players win the games, and his decisions have lost the Spurs an entire series, just on his moves alone. See: San Antonio/Dallas, 2006

[Ronaldo McDonald]

yea, whatever. I've read of the you've spewed on this board before, so I'm not going to bother typing up a response.

[MI21]

I'm not going to read the link, becuase over the last 7 years I've read everything that can be possibly be written about Duncan vs Garnett.

I will say this though: If it was Duncan going to the Celtics, do you think anyone would be betting against them to at the minimum, make the finals?

[TheAuthority]

yea, whatever. I've read of the you've spewed on this board before, so I'm not going to bother typing up a response.

Really? Maybe because you've got nothing to counter with.

[Kamnik]

Popovich shouldn't get any credit. He doesn't deserve it. The players win the games, and his decisions have lost the Spurs an entire series, just on his moves alone. See: San Antonio/Dallas, 2006

Hard to say who THE BEST coach at this moment is.


But Pop is in top 3 for sure in my opinion.


He isn't perfect as noone is but he is one of a coach, co-GM and players have immense respect for him all over the league.

[TDMVPDPOY]

i had enough of this clown name KG who always get a green pass for his teams failure...give me a n break.

[Supreme_Being]

Duncan OWNS Garnett. 'Nuff said.

[Oh, Gee!!]

Who cares really? TD got 4 rings, and KG don't have none. KG will go down as one of the greats and he's a future hall of famer for sure, but TD will go down as the best at his position by a lot.

[bdubya]

Popovich shouldn't get any credit. He doesn't deserve it. The players win the games, and his decisions have lost the Spurs an entire series, just on his moves alone. See: San Antonio/Dallas, 2006

So you'd be willing to talk trade, Saunders for Pop?

[TDMVPDPOY]

Who cares really? TD got 4 rings, and KG don't have none. KG will go down as one of the greats and he's a future hall of famer for sure, but TD will go down as the best at his position by a lot.

greats? i think one of the best...

greats>best imo

1.legend
2-3. greats
4-5 best

[nfg3]

Popovich shouldn't get any credit. He doesn't deserve it. The players win the games, and his decisions have lost the Spurs an entire series, just on his moves alone. See: San Antonio/Dallas, 2006

Anyone that states that a coach doesn't deserve any credit for a team's success has absolutely no clue to what they are talking about. How did you escape from your village? Or is the hamster dead and the wheel just keeps spinning? This post obviously fails to live up to the unusually low standards that you have set for yourself.

Auerbach, Jackson, Riley, Holtzman, Daley???????? These guys must obviously be stiffs. If that was the case then why have them? Just go and let the guys play and figure out what to do on the fly! Streetball!!! Yeah and that's is going to win against a well coached team. If they contribute nothing to the mix then they are useless. In your opinion it seems that they don't deserve credit when the team wins BUT they deserve the blame when the team loses? Right?

[K-State Spur]

TD has had a better supporting cast, but too many people use KG's supporting cast as a crutch in this debate.

The Sports Guy said it best - could anybody imagine a team with Tim Duncan ever not making the playoffs?

[hitmanyr2k]

KG's problem has never been his supporting cast, it's the fact that he's a part of it. He disappears in crunch time.

Exactly. I routinely watched KG run from the ball when playoff games were hanging in the balance. He would pound his chest and act like the baddest MF alive for the first 3 qtrs but when the 4th qtr came he got the deer in headlights look and let the team success depend mainly on his subordinates while he faded into the background.

It wasn't until the 2003 and 2004 playoffs where he FINALLY grew a backbone and started becoming a factor in the 4th qtr.

[JamStone]

Could you imagine the Spurs GM being stupid enough to do an under-the-table deal with one of the "then" core players that resulted in losing that player plus three first round draft picks over the course of Tim Duncan's first 9 seasons in the league? Could you imagine the Spurs front office trading away a Stephon Marbury type of talent after only a couple seasons? Could you imagine the Spurs trading Sam Cassell for Marko Jaric AND giving a first round draft pick in the deal? Can you imagine the Spurs signing Trenton Hassell and Mark Madsen to multi-year deals? Can you imagine the Spurs having two point guards on the roster with substantial contracts, then drafting another point guard in the lottery, then signing another point guard for the FULL MLE all in the same off-season?

For all of Kevin Garnett's faults, from not coming up big in the fourth quarter of big games to not raising the level of play by his teammates, his BIGGEST FAULT had been his blind, unending loyalty to such an inept GM in Kevin McHale.

Tim Duncan is the better player, the better winner. Talent-wise, it's awfully close and I could argue, again talent-wise, that Kevin Garnett is the better player. And, it's no slight to Tim Duncan that he was brought to such a great franchise with smart decision makers. But, at the very least, you have to consider that the failings of Kevin McHale and the Timberwolves front office factored in greatly to the failings of Kevin Garnett as a player and the failings of the Timberwolves as a team.