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"Redskins" is a slap in the face to the Native American people, IMO.
First off...Skins fans, don't get your burgandy and gold chones clenched. I am not saying that Washington needs to make a change. I thought of asking this yesterday when I saw their retro uni's. (Which incidentally, I didn't think were that bad...certainly not as bad as those nasty-ass Philly ones).
There have been, over the years, a number of protests by various groups about their logo and name as well as other teams.
I'm curious what NFL fans think of this. Personally, I don't find any of it offensive but then again, I am not Native American. I kind of see where the name "Redskins" might be seen as offensive but I don't see at all how the logo is. Its not cartoonish or a caricature. I also don't see the pro teams changing because of all the money involved in the marketing of team gear.
The NCAA has cracked down in this and a lot of teams have been forced to change and others have received support from Native American tribes (Florida State, Central Michigan) and the NCAA has allowed them to keep their name. I think Illinois made a deal that they could keep the name but had to lose the dude in the mascot costume.
I know also that high schools have had to change. Sam Houston had to change from Cherokees to Hurricanes. I didn't agree with that because I don't think just the name "cherokees" is offensive.
Do you think the Redskins name or logo is offensive?
Any other teams?
Should they be changed?
Discuss.
"Redskins" is a slap in the face to the Native American people, IMO.
It's an interesting subject. To me the Redskins is probably the most potentially offensive name for a sports team I know of. Can you imagine a team called the Blackskins? I don't know if that would offend black people, but it seems as if it could.
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Oh man that dude is just asking for Karma to him in the ass.
Doesn't offend me.
i would think the logo of the stoic indian would be considered far less offensive than most other native american mascots.
and maybe i'm an ignorant white boy, but between pop culture and the number of indians that I do know (which is more than a couple) - i've never heard of 'redskin' being used as anything other than a reference to the football team.
the odd thing is, the team isn't actually named after Indians. They were originally founded in Boston and were a sly reference to the dress for the boston tea party. However, given their name + logo - obviously it refers to Indians now.
But one would think on the list of problems facing native americans today - sports mascots would rank #68,002,876.
Dude needs to get scalped.
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What is that a gun? Real men use tomahawks.
Since the vast majority of the native american groups complaining were just trying to get some money out of the deal, they've either been paid off or are now going after the casinos, where the real money is.
I don't know, see they have a pretty offensive name if you are Native American. Calling someone a Redskin isn't exactly a compliment. I get the same thing here in Cleveland. Outside of every Indians game people protest the Chief Wahoo logo. Now I have to admit that it is offensive because it is a cartoon trying to classify a whole race of people. The first one is just a yellowish/brown guy with a giant nose, and the modern Chief is the brightest red you can find with a giant nose. But I still like it because it's all I really associate with the Indians. If they changed it it just wouldn't be the same.
Native Americans need to just chill out. Give them some of the fire water and they'll shut up about it.
Change the logo to this...
and you can keep the name.
But does anybody actually use 'Redskin' as a slur? I would argue that - in common vernacular - 99.9% of its use is limited to references about the football team.
I have a couple of native american friends who say that while they have experienced racism, nobody has ever used 'redskin' in doing so.
Many prominent Native Americans identify their favorite NFL team as the Washington Redskins. I know Russell Means and Ward Churchill do.
As a season ticket holder, I agree that the name "Redskins" is embarrassing and would love to see it changed. There's really no difference between it and the high school in Illinois that used to have the nickname " s".
It would raised holy among the lounge chair liberals in DC, however.
Are there any Native Americans left to get offended by it? There's like 20 Indians left, and they all own casinos.
The Washington Casino Owners would be a pretty funny nickname.
That makes more sense than the urban legend of my childhood: they were named by Jim Thorpe, so "they'll never forget the Indians"
mikey is TMQ?Change the logo to this...
and you can keep the name.
Tuesday Morning Quarterback?
There was a high school named the " s?"
change the name and logo?
NO!
I believe there is a high school on a reservation somewhere out West that uses the nickname "Fightin' Whities." Their team cheer is "Everything's gonna be all White!"
However, the intended irony did not hold, because virtually all white people find that vignette absolutely hilarious.
I can see how they (Natives) might be offended by the name "Redskins". What I don't get is when people make about the Seminoles and the Chiefs.
I'd be cool with a team that has an Aztec as it's mascot.
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