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He's fine coming off the bench
I know the argument about having Ginobili coming off the bench to provide energy and scoring blah blah blah.... However, an argument can also be made against the idea. I remember many games last season where we had a slow start. Dam it I miss those games where Ginobi will get the 1st layout of the game on tipoff.
What do you guys think?
He's fine coming off the bench
If you didn't know that, you should have call Pop
One ball. Three stars. Ginobili should stay in the 6th man role. I agree that it hurts his production sometimes, but it would hurt Parker's production much more. I'm very glad that Ginobili really is the team player that he presents himself to be.
Manu is great either way. Energy off the bench or a starting punch.
I think Pop's handled it well these last couple of seasons.
Manu starts until we play like .
Then he comes off the bench and gives us the spark we need.
I expect that this season too.
It works, why mess with it?
I want him to come off the bench, if only to further insult the vicarious honor of Argentinian posters.
It's gonna be the same as always. He's gonna start for the early parts of the season and then come off the bench.
I say keep him on the bench. Past experiments have shown he's more effective that way, and it's not like anybody is questioning that he ISN'T good enough to start.
He's more productive against the second units, can handle the offensive load after Tony and Tim sit, and it's an effective way to ration his minutes and keep Manu healthy and rested.
If you start him for a while, then it's just gonna cause another public fallout when/if he eventually goes back to playing off the bench.
we have bingo
Public fallout?
I remember the first season Pop did it there was lots of conversation about it but I thought last year it was taken in stride.
I remember Manu saying "What took you so long?" when Pop did it last year. Everyone knew it was coming and that it was a good thing.
Did I miss something?
How awesome is that the team can start off with Tim and Tony dominating. Then when Tim goes to take a seat and the other team thinks there will be some relief then Ginobili checks in to run with Tony.
Manu can start and Tony come off the bench as soon as Paris builds a facsimile of Buenos Aires in its downtown.
Unfortunately the decision's almost always had nothing to do with Manu's production. Finley plays anywhere from decent to great when he starts, and he's abysmal when he comes off the bench. Manu can do either, and he's of course going to be on the floor at the end of the game, when the team really needs him. Manu's energy is nice to have whenever you can get it, but Fin and Barry have to put on their big girl panties in order for Manu to be able to start.
Manu doesn't hurt Tony's production, nor anyone else's production when they are on the floor with him. Manu ends games with TP and Timmy because that is the best group to win with.
When Pop brings Manu off the bench in the 1st quarter or 3rd quarter, it's strictly to bring a creator off the bench because the Spurs are lacking creators. His minutes need governing, whether a starter or not, and his minutes will be the same whether starter or not. Unless the Spurs are comfortably ahead in the last 5 minutes of games, Manu will always close-out games and that is a fact.
I think he should start this season and not wait tell after the allstar break to start playing spurs basketball
yeah and who is going to start in tp place mr beno
I have thought that the reason the Spurs need Manu coming off the bench is because our 2nd unit lacks a low post scoring threat. This means that Manu's slashing offense is the only way to put pressure on the defense and not just have the 2nd unit taking low percentage contested jump shots. If Bonner develops and forces opponents to bring a big man out to the perimeter to derfend him, that will help Manu get to the basket easier. If only Elson had more of a low post game.
To support my argument on why the Spurs don't suffer with Manu included in ANY 5-man unit, here is a listing of last season's Top 10 5-man floor units. Manu was on all 10, even though he only started 36 games. Not even Duncan or Parker can say the same.
Source 82games.com
San Antonio Spurs Top Five-Man Floor Units
# Unit Min Off Def +/- W L Win%
1 Parker-Ginobili-Bowen-Oberto-Duncan 290 571 503 +68 22 12 64.7
2 Parker-Ginobili-Bowen-Duncan-Elson 173 391 302 +89 15 13 53.5
3 Parker-Ginobili-Bowen-Horry-Duncan 172 328 295 +33 21 13 61.7
4 Parker-Ginobili-Finley-Bowen-Duncan 111 236 226 +10 13 10 56.5
5 Parker-Ginobili-Barry-Bowen-Duncan 61 158 131 +27 8 9 47.0
6 Udrih-Ginobili-Finley-Horry-Elson 53 92 92 +0 6 10 37.5
7 Vaughn-Ginobili-Finley-Oberto-Horry 53 145 107 +38 9 7 56.2
8 Parker-Ginobili-Bowen-Bonner-Duncan 46 116 78 +38 12 1 92.3
9 Parker-Ginobili-Finley-Horry-Duncan 35 72 53 +19 7 4 63.6
10 Parker-Ginobili-Barry-Finley-Duncan 31 90 70 +20 12 5 70.5
Manu started the season averaging 15.7 ppg prior to injuring his back against Dallas and the Spurs went 10-2 and 7-0 on the road. After he went down, the Spurs lost 3 of the next 4 games. What more do you want from Manu to start the season?
When ducks starts hating on Manu you know the season is slowly approaching
I'm a huge Manu fan and in the past always thought the team was better with him starting. However, Fins plays way better as a starter, so the spurs are better with Manu as the 6th man.
actually he starts the season ok duncan does notWhen ducks starts hating on Manu you know the season is slowly approaching
Isn't there also a question as to who will start at center? If Oberto starts then Manu loses one of his best players to play alongside off the bench. Is there any chance that Elson will be back in the starting line-up to see what he can do his second season with the team?
Manu should start and Tony should come off the bench.
That is this year's secret weapon.
Tony plays against the other teams subs and lights them up.
Spurs repeat.
spurs repeat if they keep bringing manu off the bench
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