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You don't even want to go here.
You don't even want to go here.
lets go there
I went there... just got back...
Dan, you never told us your family had the big bucks.
So, did you enter the contest Dan?
So Dan how did it all happen?
"It wasn't 19 screw-ups from Saudi Arabia who couldn't pass flight school who defeated the United States with a set of box cutters," he said. He dismissed the official September 11 commission report, saying, "I don't trust any of these 'facts.'"
There's stupid, and then there's real paranoid schizophrnia. This could be a combination of both stupidity and paranoid schizophrenia. What a poor man, being obsessed like that. The guy needs some help, really.
Yeah, thats what they said about the FDR and Pearl Harbor allegations until history proved that those conspiracy theories were based on more fact than the lessons we were being thought in school. Doesn't matter what I think anyway, time will reveal all. I just hope that some of you are still around so I can say, "Told ya so!"There's stupid, and then there's real paranoid schizophrnia. This could be a combination of both stupidity and paranoid schizophrenia. What a poor man, being obsessed like that. The guy needs some help, really.
the only thing proven about FDR and pearl harbor is that FDR preferred to have japan attack first. hardly a major revelation there. as for the intercepts the japanese naval/diplomatic code was not broken prior to 12-7-41 so that kinda kills the conspiracy theory.
The Japanese code was broken by then, but more than that, by cutting off the Japanese crude supply in the Pacific the U.S. forced Japan's hand to attack Pearl Harbor in order to secure oil deliveries from Indonesia. The U.S. and Roosevelt had to have known the Japanese were coming.the only thing proven about FDR and pearl harbor is that FDR preferred to have japan attack first. hardly a major revelation there. as for the intercepts the japanese naval/diplomatic code was not broken prior to 12-7-41 so that kinda kills the conspiracy theory.
This guy sounds like a real nutjob! Reminds me of the old saying, "a fool and his money are soon parted!"
Could you answer my question Dan?
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We cut off sales to Germany too, sure didn't see them attacking us on our soil.cutting off the Japanese crude supply in the Pacific the U.S. forced Japan's hand
You still haven't answered User's Q.
the code was not broken you are quite mistaken. try reading history from something other than random sites you find on the internets
Oh, by the way
Some of their codes were broken by then, but not all of it, in particular JN25b, the Jap Naval Code. We were capable of reading all the Japanese Purple codes, but it didn't matter - the Japanese did not communicate in any of its comm channels, encrypted or not, regarding Pearl Harbor.The Japanese code was broken by then,
My math minor in college was in cryptography, and not only did we actually play around with code and technology to learn the ins and outs of crypto, but we were responsible for its history as well.
I had to do a little hunting for you, but here's a direct quote from David Kahn's book Codebreakers. Now Dan, you may not have heard of Kahn seeings he doesn't write anything for the Chinese Communist News Agency, but he is the world's foremost expert on all things cryptographic, and is considered the most knowledgeable man in the world on codebreaking activities by both sides in WWII. This is straight out of his book...
Purple was a diplomatic code, totally unrelated to Pearl Harbor (military code). We didn't break the Japanese Naval Code until late spring of '42, well after Pearl Harbor.Oct. 9, 1943 - The Purple code, broken by William Friedman at SIS in 1940, allowed the U.S. to read the dispatches of Oshima in Germany and learn Hitler's plans. "U.S. army and navy codebreakers, led by William F. Friedman, one of the greatest cryptanalysts of all time, began attacking this top-level Japanese system around the beginning of 1939. In August of 1940, after 20 months of work that in other fields would be worthy of a Nobel Prize, they submitted their first completely solved PURPLE message. The PURPLE solution could not prevent the Pearl Harbor attack. Nor did it help much in the war in the Pacific, where the diplomats had little to do. It made its greatest contribution in the war in Europe. For it enabled the Allies to read the messages ofJapan's ambassador and military attaché in Germany as they reported on Hitler's capabilities and plans. . . . On 9 October 1943 the Allies read a message of a few days earlier in which Baron Hiroshi Oshima, the Japanese ambassador, reported that he had recently visited Hitler in his East Prussia headquarters. Among many other items of interest, Hitler told him that 'I am inclined to believe' that the Allies would land in the Balkans instead of moving north in Italy."
Here's more:
http://historynet.com/wwii/bypearlharbor2/index2.html
Don't you hate it when history makes you look like a fool Dan?On December 1, 1940, the Imperial Navy subs uted a new version, which the Americans called JN25b... Despite all these efforts, the code remained readable only to a very small degree. By December 1941, only 10 to 15 percent of each message could be understood.
That then was the cryptanalytic situation with Japan on December 6, 1941: The main diplomatic system could be read rapidly and completely; other diplomatic and consular systems could be read with a few days' delay; the main naval system could be read only slightly.
AHF, why cloud unsubstantiated speculation with facts?
Dan, take your tin foil hat off and answer some of our questions!!!
1369, I don't know, just felt like being an ass today I guess...
nbadan's busy managing his horde of hard working vending machine refilling, taco making techies with honors degrees from the school of hard knocks.
But they have OVER 100 years of experience!
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I thought this was about Bush and Rummy finding 4 billion dollars to fix the un-armored armored vehicles.
Which vehicles are you talking about?...un-armored armored vehicles...
If I had all the answers to this question I would write a book. I have a plausible theory of how 911 could have been pulled off, but since all of the physical evidence has been eliminated and the rest hidden behind the National security cloak by the administration there is very little to talk about beside just speculation. If your really interested you should investigate where Cheney was and what he was doing the morning of 911. What happened to Tower 7 and why did it have to collapse? Did a plane really hit the Pentagon? Was Mohammed Atta CIA?So Dan how did it all happen?
Like a mystery? Here is a important clue, what deduction can you make from this?
American Airlines Flight 11: A Boeing 767-223ER -- Seating Capacity 181 -- Fatalities 92
United Airlines Flight 175: A Boeing 767-222 -- Seating Capacity 181 -- Fatalities 65
American Airlines Flight 77: A Boeing 757-223 -- Seating Capacity 200 -- Fatalities 64
United Airlines Flight 93: A Boeing 757-222 -- Seating Capacity 200 -- Fatalities 44
you have conclusively proven that you are in dire need of a life
That like every other day not during the holiday season, the planes weren't full?Here is a important clue, what deduction can you make from this?
That the terrorists, who were very thorough in their planning, used online booking/ticket flight information to make sure they were on flights where they couldn't be overpowered?
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