Talk about spewing BS...this guy not only knows NOTHING about MMA, but he didn't bother spending 5 seconds doing research either...
Mixed martial arts = legalized dog fighting
http://tigerweekly.com/article/09-26-2007/6563
By Jason Andreasen
Contrary to what that frat guy next to you says, “Ultimate Fighting” or “Mixed Martial Arts” is neither a sport nor anything but people beating the life out of one another.
Remember when everyone was up in arms about the Michael Vick fiasco? Remember how everyone rightfully pretended to vomit when they talked about dogs being driven to kill each other? Why don’t we have the same reaction when we watch two grown men pummel each other until one is so bloodied and dazed that he collapses?
The obvious answer is that the “fighters” choose to step into the ring and get their faces beaten in. While this is true, and is a credible distinction between dog fighting and mixed martial arts (MMA), the two are still very similar.
It is the primal urges that make us almost not human and drive the ratings for UFC (Ultimate Fighting Championship) pay-per-view specials through the roof. These same urges drive fans of dog fighting and fighting to trailer parks and professional football players’ houses. We want to see blood and fighters knocked unconscious by a roundhouse kick to the head, and we want to see someone standing over their bloodied body.
The fact of the matter is that the popularity of MMA is directly tied to the society that we live in on a day-to-day basis. You may have seen a primetime news special or two about “fight clubs” popping up all around the country with members being average guys who work at a desk all day long.
At night, they go into a buddy’s basement, recite some macho garbage about there being no rules and attack each other with sticks, swords and their bare knuckles.
This is in direct correlation to the fact that they have no way to let their aggression out or to let their natural testosterone levels be exercised. Instead, they end up in a “fight club” one night and parked in front of a UFC fight the next.
As for the growing popularity of MMA, now the “worldwide leader in sports” has gotten in on the act. Let’s face it: When ESPN calls something a sport, America calls it a sport. The fact that ESPN has been covering MMA events, even a little, gives them credibility in the sports world.
Instead of having a serious discussion about why this is barbaric and a sign of straight-up devolution, ESPN shows UFC commentator and comedian (yes, comedian) Joe Rogan yelling and carrying on about how graceful it is when Chuck Liddell (a popular UFC fighter) straddles another guy and relentlessly beats his face in. Seriously?
Of course, how could I rant and rave about how terrible MMA is without talking about boxing and even professional wrestling?
First of all, boxing is a completely different animal. Boxing is regulated by various en ies like the Nevada State Athletic Commission; meanwhile, MMA organizations run from such regulation. Furthermore, greats like Muhammad Ali were graceful and cunning while o Ortiz, a popular UFC fighter, just tries to beat someone’s head in. There is no beauty, no poetry-in-motion.
As for professional wrestling, at least that is staged. The people who watch the WWE do it as much for the soap opera storylines as they do for the violence. It is scripted and choreographed. I would rather live in a culture that watches choreographed fighting rather than this barbaric and senseless human fighting.
The fact is that MMA, while it may contain different forms of martial arts, appears to be little more than an excuse to watch someone get the crap beaten out of them. You can try and tell me all about how I don’t understand the intricacies of the “sport,” but I know what I see.
What I see is a bunch of steroid-using guys beating each other up with little or no restriction. You call that a sport? I call it human blood-sport, and I think it is sad that it is the fastest growing “sport” in the world.
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and here is one of his responses to an email sent to him by an MMA fan. What a genius...
"LOL. This is great! I love coming on here and reading all the comments from you halfwit white-trash keyboard warriors who think you're "ultimate fighters". If your sport is so great, then why is it still illegal in most states? If your champions are so much better than boxers, why don't they compete in boxing where the real money is? If it's so safe, then why did the greeks and romans die in such matches? If it's so classy, then why all the hip-hop music, tattoos, and female exploitation? Huh? Oh, and for your information, I don't know of ANYONE dying in a boxing ring in the last hundred years, and I only know of ONE DEATH in highschool or pro football EVER. If you can prove me wrong, do it... because you can't."
1 football death EVER?
ZERO boxing deaths?
I'm not gonna cut it down or anything.
I've tried to watch, UFC, MMa, whatever, the pay per view events on DirecTV are.
I just cant watch it. It is just beating the out of another person.
I know there are regulations now yes yes, but it still just is close to barefisted fighting.
Im sure thats great for you guys, but for alot of people its barbaric.
Not saying its bad or not to watch, thats just the opinion I, an some others share.
mma is the best damn thing on tv next to basketball
I'd watch more MMA if every match didn't devolve into the same boring ground n pound that basically looks like 2 guys practicing Kama Sutra moves with each other until one of them taps out due to excessive gayness.
On the subject, MMA isn't as dangerous as it looks. They do a pretty good job at protecting the fighters from being too badly beaten.
Boxing and the NFL are barbaric too...and more dangerous...
Thankfully boxing is two people dancing in a ring, not repeatedly hitting each other in the head for 10 straight rounds ac ulating 400-500 attempted punches. Surely, Arturro Gatti is only considered exciting because of his "footwork" and not his attempt to "slug it out."
MMA practicioners (almost all leagues) wear smaller gloves so they can use their hands to control oppents in the clinch and on the ground. It's a shame that MMA, and the barbaric acts, have managed to have ONE death (which was in Russia, in a NON-sanctioned fight from a pre-existing condition). During the same time that UFC 1 was introduced, at end of 1993, how many boxers have died in their non-barbaric sport? Somewhere close to 200.
Lucky boxing isn't as barbaric as MMA.
this isn't a boxing vs mma thing...just a chance to laugh at an idiot...
Not a big boxing fan either.
Mostly because every fight is fixed.
Boxing and the NFL are barbaric too...and more dangerous...
kicking a man to the head and laying on top of him and beating him with his fists is less barbaric than football?
I've seen it all.
Running at full speed and projecting your body like a missile right into somebody else's chest or back isn't exactly inviting them to a tea party.
Read closer dude...
But not MORE barbaric than beating another man with his fists.Running at full speed and projecting your body like a missile right into somebody else's chest or back isn't exactly inviting them to a tea party.
I didn't say football wasn't. Not MORE than this ultimate fighting thing though.
Leonard said MORE dangerous, not MORE barbaric. read MORE closely.
I completely agree 100% with the bolded part. At first I thought MMA was gonna be bad ass. Punching, kicking, throws, clinches etc.......,but the name decieved me, Mixed Martial Arts, I thought I'd see a variety of fighting styles up against each other, but I don't. The only one's I see are: Boxing, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, some Muay Thai, Wrestling. And yes, it does get really boring when the match leads to them both on the ground trying to submit each other for the tap out (which happens a lot). I'd love to see a league which implents a rule in Muay Thai, you cannot be in the ground and if you throw your opponent you have to let him get back up and continue fighting. I've yearned for a leauge that is free flowing like boxing, but let's more than one martial art. Bare knuckle fighting would be optional if both fighters agree.
Each of those is a martial art in and of itself. When you combine them, it's called Mixed Martial Arts. I'm not trying to be sarcastic, but what else do you want? People do use Judo, such as Karo Parysian and many Japanese fighters, but not much has shown to be an effective fighting method. You see some Karate here and there and other martial arts, but they don't stand out because MMA is so syncretic that you can't favor a particular style. Again, MMA isn't for everyone and I'm not trying to sell you on it. The problem I think alot of people see is that people find the ground game boring, as you pointed out. Some people enjoy the intricacies of the scrambles, bjj, etc. -- not everyone though.I completely agree 100% with the bolded part. At first I thought MMA was gonna be bad ass. Punching, kicking, throws, clinches etc.......,but the name decieved me, Mixed Martial Arts, I thought I'd see a variety of fighting styles up against each other, but I don't. The only one's I see are: Boxing, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, some Muay Thai, Wrestling. And yes, it does get really boring when the match leads to them both on the ground trying to submit each other for the tap out (which happens a lot). I'd love to see a league which implents a rule in Muay Thai, you cannot be in the ground and if you throw your opponent you have to let him get back up and continue fighting. I've yearned for a leauge that is free flowing like boxing, but let's more than one martial art. Bare knuckle fighting would be optional if both fighters agree.
Exactly...
Checkout Chuck Norris' "World Combat League"...it's on the Vs Channel...I completely agree 100% with the bolded part. At first I thought MMA was gonna be bad ass. Punching, kicking, throws, clinches etc.......,but the name decieved me, Mixed Martial Arts, I thought I'd see a variety of fighting styles up against each other, but I don't. The only one's I see are: Boxing, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, some Muay Thai, Wrestling. And yes, it does get really boring when the match leads to them both on the ground trying to submit each other for the tap out (which happens a lot). I'd love to see a league which implents a rule in Muay Thai, you cannot be in the ground and if you throw your opponent you have to let him get back up and continue fighting. I've yearned for a leauge that is free flowing like boxing, but let's more than one martial art. Bare knuckle fighting would be optional if both fighters agree.
personally, I love the BJJ aspect of MMA...almost more than the striking. Once you start to learn and appreciate what's going on, it's pretty damn cool IMO...
almost every sport has had a death except MMA, so I guess MMA is the safest least barbaric sport out there except for maybe extreme wrestling. Extreme wrestling has never suffered a death even though they shred their faces in barb wire and constantly body slam each other on broken glass. Nevertheless, it's safe and not barbaric.
That's the thing I favor striking more than the grappling and holds that Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu/Western Wrestling has to offer. Judo, in essence, is the same, it's grappling and throwing. The only tidbit that I have a problem is the fact that so many fights are fought on the mat using submissions. I'd LOVE it if that were ruled out.
Still if you look at MMA, it's nearly all Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and Wrestling since the round always end on the floor, I wouldn't see no difference if the matches were to start on the floor. Barely any Muay Thai is used, so in fact I will retract my statement that boxing and muay thai are used and just say Kickboxing is used, however a little bit of kickboxing is used, since most punches land when both fighters are on the ground on top of each other and I don't count that as a martial art, I just call that watered down street fighting. Also, IMO the reason many other fighting methods are ineffective like Kung Fu, Karate, Savate, TKD, even Muay Thai, because those disciplines are ineffective when nearly all fighting is done on the ground. In my honest opnion to be a good MMA fighter all you need to be good is at Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, add some wrestling in there and know how to punch, maybe kick, which is what most MMA fighters are. That's it. MMA is like the WWE except there is less body slamming and no special moves and the hits and submissions are real and there is more time spent on the ground.Each of those is a martial art in and of itself. When you combine them, it's called Mixed Martial Arts. I'm not trying to be sarcastic, but what else do you want? People do use Judo, such as Karo Parysian and many Japanese fighters, but not much has shown to be an effective fighting method.
Which leads me to say that at first sight I though MMA would offer more than one fighting style shown, but in fact it's Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu/Wrestling and you're allowed to strike.
However, the fights that have more striking are great to watch. MMA should just be called 'FIGHTING', because in reality that's how a real life fight is; in the ground struggling,trying to land whatever you can, and trying to KO the guy whether it be through a submission move or strike.
Last edited by E20; 09-27-2007 at 06:06 PM.
Somebody introduce this guy to Anderson Silva.
or to rich franklin's nose lol
I'm not saying that Muay Thai is obsolete in MMA and not used at all, but it isn't majorly used or seen. Fact of the matter is BJJ/WW is a staple in MMA and the most used. Their will be outliers.
yeah it is.
And after reading that article, I have nothing to say, but that the dude is ing ignorant about MMA.
1993 Forum.
It's called San Shou and Cung Le is one of the sport's greatest compe ors. His mma and San Shou fights might be more to your liking.
I told you where to look...WCL sounds like what you're looking for...
I think it sucks, but that's just me...
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